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    Re: Dear Mr Caldwell, why did you run on 10/12 first downs in the first half



    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    And? You need to move the chains there, or the team fields punts at near midfield (which is what happened). And like I said, we weren't running into the line on the 3rd and 7s, we were attempting to pass. It is precisely 3rd and 6+ plays, when the defense can pin their ears back and can play pass 100%, where you are more likely to get a strip sack or INT. Any decrease of these turnover chances on 1st down, to me, are negated by the increase of chances in 3rd and longish.

    We also started our 2nd drive of the 2nd half from our own 13 yard line with a medium throw to Doss that netted a 15-yard PI. Then followed it up with another 1st and 10 attempt to Doss that went incompete followed by a 22 yard completion to Pitta. So suddenly with 10:03 left in the 3rd quarter, down by 6 points, we don't care about starting at the 13? Apparently. At that point we were fully trying to score (thankfully).

    Look, all I am saying is that I think more of the drives in the first half could have looked like the 2nd drive of the 2nd half. I don't see such drives as significantly more risky, and they seem to be significantly more effective.

    Obviously the game went well, but imagine a situation where the defense does not shut out the Pats and they score 17 second half points (vs turning it over 3 times) to go along with their 13 (and could have been 17) first half points. Suddenly we are scoring at will but are still possibly liable to come up a bit short.
    3rd and 6 isn't a terrible down and distance. The defense can't just pin their ears back and rush the passer. Shorter routes and slants have a higher chance of making a first down than they do in 3rd and 8 or more.

    The Ravens were getting positive yards with their run game in the first half, and I don't doubt those runs helped take the legs out of the Pat's d-line to some degree in the second half. Wilfork didn't have anything even close to the impact he had last year. Letting Birk, KO, and Yanda attack him more than letting him attack them likely had an effect, imo.

    Sure, I'd like to have seen more playaction on first and second down, but the downside of passing on first down if you don't get anything is you probably have to pass on second and third, too.

    I also would have liked to see more plays attacking the edges, especially since the Pats linebackers are big guys not known for their speed. But I don't have any strong criticism of the playcalling. I don't mind pounding the ball early in a game. Run-run-pass-punt is better than pass-pass-pass-punt. If you aren't going to get a first down, I'd rather have let the o-line be the aggressors.




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    Re: Dear Mr Caldwell, why did you run on 10/12 first downs in the first half

    Quote Originally Posted by bacchys View Post
    3rd and 6 isn't a terrible down and distance. The defense can't just pin their ears back and rush the passer. Shorter routes and slants have a higher chance of making a first down than they do in 3rd and 8 or more.

    The Ravens were getting positive yards with their run game in the first half, and I don't doubt those runs helped take the legs out of the Pat's d-line to some degree in the second half. Wilfork didn't have anything even close to the impact he had last year. Letting Birk, KO, and Yanda attack him more than letting him attack them likely had an effect, imo.

    Sure, I'd like to have seen more playaction on first and second down, but the downside of passing on first down if you don't get anything is you probably have to pass on second and third, too.

    I also would have liked to see more plays attacking the edges, especially since the Pats linebackers are big guys not known for their speed. But I don't have any strong criticism of the playcalling. I don't mind pounding the ball early in a game. Run-run-pass-punt is better than pass-pass-pass-punt. If you aren't going to get a first down, I'd rather have let the o-line be the aggressors.
    Fair enough. I just don't like seeing 7 points in an entire half (plus one drive) based off virtually identical playcalling patterns, then 21 points in three drives once we start mixing it up and 'cutting Joe loose' as Harbaugh said. It makes me think that this kind of success could be had sooner than the third quarter, and the main reason it is not is because we are 'afraid' of something (and playing it 'safe').

    I would prefer we play like the goal is to go into halftime up by 14 points in every game we play, even if this goal is hard to achieve.




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    Re: Dear Mr Caldwell, why did you run on 10/12 first downs in the first half

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Fair enough. I just don't like seeing 7 points in an entire half (plus one drive) based off virtually identical playcalling patterns, then 21 points in three drives once we start mixing it up and 'cutting Joe loose' as Harbaugh said. It makes me think that this kind of success could be had sooner than the third quarter, and the main reason it is not is because we are 'afraid' of something (and playing it 'safe').

    I would prefer we play like the goal is to go into halftime up by 14 points in every game we play, even if this goal is hard to achieve.


    I see no reason why in that "1st down run it up the gut" sequence we couldn't have run a stretch play or an off tackle to the left (KO is a good run blocker and McKinnie will seal the edge, he just doesn't do much at the 2nd level) and I think we could've gotten something off play action, after say the 4th time we'd run it on 1st down. Maybe we wouldn't have scored anyway or had to settle for a FG, but at least we wouldn't have given the Pats such decent field position and given our defense more of a breather by extending those early drives.

    I'm just not a believer in being too predictable unless you are physically dominating your opponent so even though they know exactly what you're trying to do, it's still working because they just can't stop it.




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    Re: Dear Mr Caldwell, why did you run on 10/12 first downs in the first half

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    I actually agree with the OP's premise, even if he is half-joking. We ran it too much, hitting the same holes, on first down early in the game. There are other ways to achieve the same goals (bringing up the safeties, etc). Short passes for one, or even more misdirection runs.

    I also agree that the game situation never made it clearly the wrong thing to do, i.e. the Pats were not chalking up TDs and forcing our hand (the game was still close, etc). But I think that the establish-the-run to open the passing game can also work in reverse and is dependent on what the other team is doing (which can be determined in less drives/series/sets of downs than a full half's worth). I think establishing-the-pass to open the running game is a viable option and it also gives Joe the benefit of getting into rhythm so he doesn't face a bunch of 3rd and longs (after 2 stuffed runs) as his first opportunities to throw in the game.

    Obviously, Caldwell gets an A for tonight's game, but I think an A+ would have been a little more variety on 1st down early, or making the adjustment he eventually made at an earlier point in the game. 7 points in the first half was a bit low, and I really don't think the "only 7" strategy really helped "create" the 21 in the second half as much as some might argue.
    I completely agree with your post. I am hoping this is something that changes in the off season. Phil Simms mentioned numerous times that they have to give Joe some easy throws. Under Cam this offense only had two types of plays, running and difficult intermediate to deep passes. It is the number 1 reason why Flacco is considered "Inconsistent". I also think this is Harbaugh's influence on the game plan. This was the same story line in New England last year. First three series were run heavy three and outs before Cam opened it up. Once they started mixing it up on first down the running game picked up as did the passing game. Same thing happened in Denver last week although it was opposite. First half opened up successully. Second half almost ran ourselves out of the game. I really and truly believe it is a Harbaugh thing and not an OC thing. If the Ravens are truly going to be an offensive juggernaut it is clearly going to be riding Joe's arm.




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    Re: Dear Mr Caldwell, why did you run on 10/12 first downs in the first half

    Quote Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74 View Post


    I see no reason why in that "1st down run it up the gut" sequence we couldn't have run a stretch play or an off tackle to the left (KO is a good run blocker and McKinnie will seal the edge, he just doesn't do much at the 2nd level) and I think we could've gotten something off play action, after say the 4th time we'd run it on 1st down. Maybe we wouldn't have scored anyway or had to settle for a FG, but at least we wouldn't have given the Pats such decent field position and given our defense more of a breather by extending those early drives.

    I'm just not a believer in being too predictable unless you are physically dominating your opponent so even though they know exactly what you're trying to do, it's still working because they just can't stop it.




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    Re: Dear Mr Caldwell, why did you run on 10/12 first downs in the first half

    Quote Originally Posted by lovefootball View Post
    Belicheat was famous for making 2nd half adjustments. Caldwell gave him nothing in the first half to adjust to. Caldwell called a great game and Ravens win. If cam was here still, your question would have been appropriate.
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    Re: Dear Mr Caldwell, why did you run on 10/12 first downs in the first half

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Yes, but if some us don't invent something to bitch about (even if half-heartedly), we may jinx things around here. The current mix of irrational complaining and vociferous defending of everything the team does has served us well up until this point.
    Well, in that case, WHERE THE HELL WAS THE END-AROUND THAT CAM USED SO SUCCESSFULLY???????
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    Re: Dear Mr Caldwell, why did you run on 10/12 first downs in the first half

    This should put to rest any notion that the first half was intentionally used to set up the second half. The second half was a complete change of direction compared to the first half. And it was set in motion by Joe Flacco.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...0,941583.story




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    Re: Dear Mr Caldwell, why did you run on 10/12 first downs in the first half

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    This should put to rest any notion that the first half was intentionally used to set up the second half. The second half was a complete change of direction compared to the first half. And it was set in motion by Joe Flacco.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...0,941583.story

    yea listening to flacco interview, he said harbaugh came into the locker room and said we did not come this far to play conservative, lets go play to win. assuming caldwell became more aggressive in the 2nd half




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