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    Re: How do the Patriots defend the deep ball? Can Flacco have deep ball success against them?



    Quote Originally Posted by Gronkey Kong View Post
    Oh well shit stop the fucking presses! Forget everything I've ever said, we'd be lucky to hold Rice to under 6 YPC!
    Didn't come here to argue, huh
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    Re: How do the Patriots defend the deep ball? Can Flacco have deep ball success against them?

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Didn't come here to argue, huh
    LOL. I'm not going to bother




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    Re: How do the Patriots defend the deep ball? Can Flacco have deep ball success against them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gronkey Kong View Post
    Oh well shit stop the fucking presses! Forget everything I've ever said, we'd be lucky to hold Rice to under 6 YPC!
    Just focus on 5 first...baby steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gronkey Kong View Post
    Because before Talib those garbage QBs still looked like HOFers against this secondary. At least now they make the bad QBs look like they're supposed to
    Yet still a secondary that hasn't really been tested by a top QB/WR combo.




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    Re: How do the Patriots defend the deep ball? Can Flacco have deep ball success against them?

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    I keep reading how since Talib has been playing their secondary is sooo much better. Yet I never see them analyze who they've played against since Talib has been starting.

    Colts - Reggie Wayne? He is good. Not what he used to be. Rookie QB playing in NE, Luck was in over his head.

    Jets - ummm...Jeremy Kerley? Ok...

    Dolphins - uhhh...Brian Hartline???

    Texans - Johnson, but we all know the Texans fell apart at the end of the season - they weren't the same team (Schaub turned to garbage).

    49ers - Crabtree has really come alive since Colin K. But I still doubt many teams fear Crabtree on his own

    Jaguars - ...Cecil Shorts?

    They have faced hardly any real WR talent. A lot of those guys are C level WRs. B level at best. Only Johnson scratches A level, and Schaub had been horrible to close out their season.

    Maybe just maybe their secondary has improved because they been playing teams that have poor WR squads? Or are run heavy (Texans/49ers).

    Hmmm...

    It's not like Talib was lining up against AJ Green or Megatron or Marshall. Demaryius Thomas burned them for 180 early on. He totaled 50 yards when he played us in TWO games.
    See the problem is that before Talib got to NE, even scrubs were feasting on our secondary.

    And what made our deep end better was not Talib really, it was the fact that we could move McCourty over at safety. He's added range with his speed and he plays the pass a lot better when he's facing the QB. You gotta understand, before we had Patrick Chung back there trying to play the pass. He's freaking awful. Then we tried Wilson who is a rookie and he was getting burned too.

    Talib and the emergence of rookie Dennard at the other CB spot allowed McCourty to move at S and also allowed Arrington to move to slot, who was just awful outside. We're still not "great" at defending the pass, but definitely a lot better.




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    Re: How do the Patriots defend the deep ball? Can Flacco have deep ball success against them?

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Just focus on 5 first...baby steps.



    Yet still a secondary that hasn't really been tested by a top QB/WR combo.
    Ok sorry next time I'll have the schedulers put only the best of the best QB/WR combos on the Pats schedule that way when they improve defensively it'll be legit for you




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    Re: How do the Patriots defend the deep ball? Can Flacco have deep ball success against them?

    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFan in MD View Post
    See the problem is that before Talib got to NE, even scrubs were feasting on our secondary.

    And what made our deep end better was not Talib really, it was the fact that we could move McCourty over at safety. He's added range with his speed and he plays the pass a lot better when he's facing the QB. You gotta understand, before we had Patrick Chung back there trying to play the pass. He's freaking awful. Then we tried Wilson who is a rookie and he was getting burned too.

    Talib and the emergence of rookie Dennard at the other CB spot allowed McCourty to move at S and also allowed Arrington to move to slot, who was just awful outside.
    You guys totally shut down the mighty Ryan Tannehill and Brian Hartline Combo.




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    Re: How do the Patriots defend the deep ball? Can Flacco have deep ball success against them?

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    You guys totally shut down the mighty Ryan Tannehill and Brian Hartline Combo.
    The Dolphins game was a shutout. What else do you want them to do?




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    Pats fans read this http://russellstreetreport.com/films...broncos-11213/


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    Re: How do the Patriots defend the deep ball? Can Flacco have deep ball success against them?

    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFan in MD View Post
    The Dolphins game was a shutout. What else do you want them to do?
    Allowing anything over 0 yards passing is something only the most pathetic of pass defenses do.




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    Re: How do the Patriots defend the deep ball? Can Flacco have deep ball success against them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gronkey Kong View Post
    Ok sorry next time I'll have the schedulers put only the best of the best QB/WR combos on the Pats schedule that way when they improve defensively it'll be legit for you
    You play who is on the schedule. I am merely saying that your (over) confidence in the revamped secondary is not founded upon playing teams with a good QB/WR combo.

    Meanwhile, our revamped OL has held up against the Giants and Denver, two of the top pass rushing teams in the league.

    Do you see the difference? Your revamped secondary shut down Sanchez and Kerley...the revamped Ravens OL shut down Dumervil and Miller and JPP, etc.

    Can you see how one side should be a little more confident than the other because the competition one side faced was much stiffer?




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    Re: How do the Patriots defend the deep ball? Can Flacco have deep ball success against them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    Pats fans read this http://russellstreetreport.com/films...broncos-11213/


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    Cliff notes man.




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    Re: How do the Patriots defend the deep ball? Can Flacco have deep ball success against them?

    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFan in MD View Post
    The Dolphins game was a shutout. What else do you want them to do?
    Not brag about your secondary shutting down inferior competition? You shut out a team eliminated from the playoffs at home in the second to last game of the season.

    I am sure Miami came with their A game that day.




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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFan in MD View Post
    Cliff notes man.
    It's worth reading the whole thing but some good parts

    While the 2012 Patriots have solid run-defending LBs with the additions of Spikes and Hightower, their biggest advantage is up front. Wilfork can be pushed, as we saw Yanda and Gaither do in the 2009 game (Wilfork moved to RDE for the 2nd half of that game). This year, when he lines up on the nose, the guards will play the key role in getting him off the spot. Osemele and Yanda will block him directly in zone blocking schemes and will assist to get him off balance if blocking straight ahead. The Ravens now have the most talented pair of guards in the AFC, particularly with regard to the ability to create movement when run blocking. Itís a matchup they must win Sunday.

    The second key matchup is the receiver opposite Aqib Talib. Contrary to popular belief, Talib has been extremely vulnerable since he joined the Pats. Heís been targeted 42 times with 28 receptions for 376 yards, 2 TD and 1 INT. During that same period, Alfonzo Dennard has played well and Devin McCourty has split his time between corner and safety with good results wherever he has lined up. As with Bailey last week, the Ravens must punish the Patriots if they leave Talib on an island with Smith or Jones and use the space effectively when they get him safety help.


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    Re: How do the Patriots defend the deep ball? Can Flacco have deep ball success against them?

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    You play who is on the schedule. I am merely saying that your (over) confidence in the revamped secondary is not founded upon playing teams with a good QB/WR combo.

    Meanwhile, our revamped OL has held up against the Giants and Denver, two of the top pass rushing teams in the league.

    Do you see the difference? Your revamped secondary shut down Sanchez and Kerley...the revamped Ravens OL shut down Dumervil and Miller and JPP, etc.

    Can you see how one side should be a little more confident than the other because the competition one side faced was much stiffer?
    I don't think you understand

    Read MD's post again, we don't think we have Cromartie and Revis at CBs, but Talib (and Dennard) have allowed the Pats to put players like McCourty and Arrington in better positions to succeed.




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    Re: How do the Patriots defend the deep ball? Can Flacco have deep ball success against them?

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Not brag about your secondary shutting down inferior competition? You shut out a team eliminated from the playoffs at home in the second to last game of the season.

    I am sure Miami came with their A game that day.
    Who is bragging about it though? Lmao. Is it impossible to improve your team by playing bad teams? Or should we just discount everything for the sake of their schedule?




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