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  1. #49

    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.



    If you arefeeling up to the challenge, all three rooks have made some hey with the long ball... Luck, RGIII and Wilson.




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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    If you arefeeling up to the challenge, all three rooks have made some hey with the long ball... Luck, RGIII and Wilson.
    Would love to see him compared to Marino, say, first some-dd year comparison?
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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    Quote Originally Posted by callahan09 View Post
    Turns out I had a moment to get this info for you, but I didn't bother looking up penalty yards this time.... Here it is:

    Aaron Rodgers

    Deep Left: 9/27, 218 Yards, 3 TD, 0 INT --> 33.3%, 8.1 Y/A, 100.5 QB Rating
    Deep Middle: 12/25, 341 Yards, 4 TD, 3 INT --> 48%, 13.6 Y/A, 94.2 QB Rating
    Deep Right: 26/52, 850 Yards, 8 TD, 1 INT --> 50%, 16.3 Y/A, 127.4 QB Rating

    Deep All: 47/104, 1409 Yards, 15 TD, 4 INT --> 45.2%, 13.5 Y/A, 115.4 QB Rating

    This is... remarkably similar to Joe's numbers! Comparing them... Flacco's stat first, then Rodgers', better number italicized:

    Completion Percentage: 43.1% < 45.2%
    Yards Per Attempt: 13.1 < 13.5
    Yards: 1799 > 1409
    TDs: 15 = 15
    INTs: 2 > 4
    QB Rating: 120.5 > 115.4

    Very close in nearly every regard, but Flacco's got the slight edge on him.
    Thanks Callahan09, great work. Ive had that argument with people very often, even this past weekend I had a buddy keeping track of Flaccos "bad throws" vs good ones because "Rodgers doesnt have bad passes". After comparing the two games, pretty obvious that Rodgers does have some miscues from time to time and certainly over an entire season, but i didnt have the numbers to support it, just my eye. Elites always get passes for bad throws and people act like they never make mistakes. Flacco is under a microscope and every mistake is amplified. The way he stacks up against those elites is incredible also when considering he has more attempts than any of them as well. I wonder if his agent has these numbers...
    -JAB




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    I've looked at these numbers obsessively over the past 3-4 years. I posted comparisons vs. Joe's contemporaries back in September. And like I've been saying all season; if we can get some consistency from #5 then this offense goes through the roof in 3 moves.
    1. Fix the OL (may have been accomplished though only for the short term considering BM's age)
    2. Get a WR that can get open with his feet
    3. Get a big RZ target

    All three of these can be accomplished (or confirmed) this OS... if so, and when this offense explodes, the reality WRT Joe's huge, new contract will be Wow...we actually UNDERpaid.
    Back to the AFCCG we go. So get ready!

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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    I've looked at these numbers obsessively over the past 3-4 years. I posted comparisons vs. Joe's contemporaries back in September. And like I've been saying all season; if we can get some consistency from #5 then this offense goes through the roof in 3 moves.
    1. Fix the OL (may have been accomplished though only for the short term considering BM's age)
    2. Get a WR that can get open with his feet
    3. Get a big RZ target

    All three of these can be accomplished (or confirmed) this OS... if so, and when this offense explodes, the reality WRT Joe's huge, new contract will be Wow...we actually UNDERpaid.
    1. Likely not on the Roster unless BM is retained.
    2. May be on the roster (Doss, Reed, Thompson)
    3. May be on the roster (Streeter)

    i like the corps going forward and i still think its more likely we extend and reduce Boldin than outright release him. He really does give the O an attitude.
    -JAB




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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    1. Likely not on the Roster unless BM is retained.
    2. May be on the roster (Doss, Reed, Thompson)
    3. May be on the roster (Streeter)

    i like the corps going forward and i still think its more likely we extend and reduce Boldin than outright release him. He really does give the O an attitude.
    1. Yes. BM or the Draft

    2. I like Doss, but his IND performance was bullsh!t. I'm not as confident as I have been in the past. He has good feet, but if he goes into September with unreliable hands, he'll be no higher than the #4...again. I've yet to see Reed demonstrate a "separating release"; very few total opportunities over the years due to injuries. Thompson is more of a North-South track guy and I haven't seen him pressed/beat the press either. Maybe there's some 2011 Florida tape out there that shows otherwise?

    3. Streeter has to show and prove that he knows the offense, can run some routes and has reliable hands. Essentially, he has to beat out Thompson, Willams, Reed and Doss b/c that's how we have run our offensive depth chart to-date (unless there are injuries, a guy's place in line depends on seniority and draft position). Now, with a new OC (Jim?) maybe that will change. Maybe the OC will go with more of a "package" offense than Cam ever did, within which Streeter would see some RZ snaps. Still...he'll have to show reliable hands.


    I'm taken things OT, so let me come back to this...I know we have holes to fill on defense, but I also think that we have an opportunity to strengthen our offense. We need a TE that can block, so grab one that can also snatch a rebound off the rim; they will be some available (see FA thread). We need a savvy route runner (a budding Mason) that can beat tight man, and from rounds 2-5 there will be several: Patton, "Studman", Swope, Rogers, Johnson, Bumphis, Collins. All the better for Joe over the next 5-7 years.




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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    I like Doss, but his IND performance was bullsh!t. I'm not as confident as I have been in the past.
    I agree with everything you said but especially in this respect. Doss has very limited tape to evaluate, but I haven't really seen anything that suggests to me he should be a starting receiver in the league. I don't see crispness or physicality in his routes, he doesn't seem to have long speed or suddenness/quickness to shake loose from tight coverage, and his best asset (hands/catch radius) has let him down when he's seen the field this year.

    It's very disappointing to me because Doss has some potential. He's a natural and fluid receiver, but by the end of year 2 I just think you need to see more out of him than we're getting. I think the team feels the same way we do--they allowed Doss to take a good number of snaps as the #3 WR over the last half of the season, probably recognizing that Jacoby's work on returns necessitated him playing less snaps at WR. He didn't do too much with his snaps at #3 WR other than 2 impressive catches over the deep middle vs. Cleveland and vs. Oakland as well as a TD on a WR screen where his blockers did all the work. They also gave him a few looks at punt returner where he didn't do much outside of a good return vs. Denver.

    That culminated with Doss's "performance" in the Indianapolis game... which was quite frankly a disaster as he dropped/failed to catch all 3 of his targets. So all in all, you have 2 nice catches, 1 good return, and about 5 dropped passes (I recall he also dropped one in the Pittsburgh loss and seem to recall another one at some point too.) That's a horrible rate of return even given the small sample size.

    I thought over the last year or so that Doss had a good shot at replacing Boldin by 2013. I no longer think that at all. They drafted 2 WRs in rounds 2-4 in 2011 and it looks like one of them is going to pan out and one of them is going to be a replacement-level player. That's not bad but there are too many question marks regarding who's going to be the future starter across from Torrey.




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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    We also have to take Joe's age and durability into account. He is much younger than the QBs viewed above him and has not missed a game.
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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    We also have to take Joe's age and durability into account. He is much younger than the QBs viewed above him and has not missed a game.
    Heck, a rookie Brandon Weeden is 3 years older then him... What a waste of a late fist round pick.




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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    We also have to take Joe's age and durability into account. He is much younger than the QBs viewed above him and has not missed a game.
    This is a good point. The guy could conceivably play at a high level for another 8-10 years considering how durable he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    Heck, a rookie Brandon Weeden is 3 years older then him... What a waste of a late fist round pick.
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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    If I were Baltimore, unless he plays a horrible game Sunday, I would be worried about getting his contract over with quickly. Unless Matt Ryan helps the Falcons win the Super Bowl, Joe is going to garner more than him. If Atlanta pays out big for Ryan, that will shoot Flacco's price up higher.
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