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    Just because the numbers to the right are higher than the left doesn't mean that's the "tendency".

    Play calling, dropped passes, etc can all account for why there are more throws / catches on the right than left.

    For it to be a tendency, IMO, there would have to be a disproportionately lower number to the left as well.
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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Just because the numbers to the right are higher than the left doesn't mean that's the "tendency".

    Play calling, dropped passes, etc can all account for why there are more throws / catches on the right than left.

    For it to be a tendency, IMO, there would have to be a disproportionately lower number to the left as well.
    I don't know the numbers. Trent Dilfer and was talking about the numbers. Fletcher was talking about the tendencies he noticed on the game tape.

    It could all be nothing, I am just going of memory and remembering he does throw deep balls to the right more. As far as tendencies, that's always been the knock on Joe, not sure how much he's improving on it but I think he has improved.
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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    All passes over 10 yards from PFF.com (3 zones)

    Outside the numbers, left: 18 / 62 / 377 / 5 / 0 -- 79.3
    Between: 38 / 71 / 973 / 9 / 1 -- 132.4
    Outside the numbers, right: 38 / 77 / 930 / 5 / 4 -- 93.53

    ESPN uses 5 zones IIRC.




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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    I have no numbers to contribute, but my eyeballs and memory would support the idea that Joe goes deep far more often to the right side than the left. One of the Denver defenders (can't remember which) was even quoted as saying they had believed this was a tendency of Joe's. The irony, of course, is that they were completely unable to do anything about it last Saturday.




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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    One of the reasons Joe goes deep right more than left is very simple: Torrey Smith usually lines up on the right.

    Now, that tendency changed a little bit in Denver, where Torrey lined up on both the left and right about equally. But generally Torrey is on the right and he's got I believe the deepest average depth of target in the NFL at something like 20 yards downfield. Very few receivers are targeted on average even CLOSE to that far downfield.

    Another factor is that the right side is usually the strong side, where the TE is lined up. Joe probably reads the right side of the field first looking for Pitta on a shorter route or Torrey on a longer route. If the longer route is there he's going to take a shot at it, if it's not he'll move to Dennis then to the left side of the field. Because Torrey and Dennis both get open more consistently than Boldin they represent both safer and more efficient options.

    It's interesting that despite all that, Boldin leads the team in catches by a good amount, both on the season and in the postseason thus far. I think he's most effective in the second half after teams put more emphasis on taking Torrey and Dennis away.




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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    Quote Originally Posted by saintmatthew View Post
    Pretty sure I saw plenty of deep passes to the center of the field. Season opener vs. Cincy comes to mind.
    Yeah, not to mention the bomb to Torrey in the last game was in the center as well.




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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    I was fascinated by the conversation about Flacco's deep throwing tendencies, so I did some research on it for the 2012 season (including playoffs). Passes are qualified as either "short" or "deep" in the official play-by-play, so this is based on those classifications of each pass:

    Deep Left: 13/43, 337 Yards, 4 TD, 0 INT --> 30.2%, 7.8 Y/A, 90.9 QB Rating
    Deep Middle: 16/35, 470 Yards, 3 TD, 1 INT --> 45.7%, 13.4 Y/A, 108.9 QB Rating
    Deep Right: 30/59, 992 Yards, 8 TD, 1 INT --> 50.8%, 16.8 Y/A, 129.1 QB Rating

    Deep All: 59/137, 1799 Yards, 15 TD, 2 INT --> 43.1%, 13.1 Y/A, 120.5 QB Rating

    Pass Interference / Illegal Contact Penalties Drawn
    Deep Left: 1 For 30 Yards
    Deep Middle: 1 For 15 Yards
    Deep Right: 6 For 135 Yards

    Deep All: 8 For 180 Yards


    And just for kicks, here is the comparison with Tom Brady:

    Deep Left: 15/48, 452 Yards, 4 TD, 1 INT --> 31.3%, 9.4 Y/A, 86.5 QB Rating
    Deep Middle: 14/33, 391 Yards, 4 TD, 1 INT --> 42.4%, 11.8 Y/A, 113.8 QB Rating
    Deep Right: 10/38, 306 Yards, 2 TD, 3 INT --> 26.3%, 8.1 Y/A, 45.3 QB Rating

    Deep All: 39/119, 1149 Yards, 10 TD, 5 INT --> 32.8%, 9.7 Y/A, 80.1 QB Rating

    Pass Interference / Illegal Contact Penalties Drawn
    Deep Left: 2 For 31 Yards
    Deep Middle: 1 For 38 Yards
    Deep Right: 4 For 90 Yards

    Deep All: 7 For 159 Yards




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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I agree for the most part. Joe has improved with Cam being gone.

    But one thing he brought has still be true - he only throws deep balls to the right side of the field...


    Sad but true. Joe just loves the right side of the field more so than other right handed QBs. I'm just curious how the # of attempts to the right side of the field stack up against other QBs in the league.




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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
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    Sad but true. Joe just loves the right side of the field more so than other right handed QBs. I'm just curious how the # of attempts to the right side of the field stack up against other QBs in the league.
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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    Quote Originally Posted by callahan09 View Post
    I was fascinated by the conversation about Flacco's deep throwing tendencies, so I did some research on it for the 2012 season (including playoffs). Passes are qualified as either "short" or "deep" in the official play-by-play, so this is based on those classifications of each pass:

    Deep Left: 13/43, 337 Yards, 4 TD, 0 INT --> 30.2%, 7.8 Y/A, 90.9 QB Rating
    Deep Middle: 16/35, 470 Yards, 3 TD, 1 INT --> 45.7%, 13.4 Y/A, 108.9 QB Rating
    Deep Right: 30/59, 992 Yards, 8 TD, 1 INT --> 50.8%, 16.8 Y/A, 129.1 QB Rating

    Deep All: 59/137, 1799 Yards, 15 TD, 2 INT --> 43.1%, 13.1 Y/A, 120.5 QB Rating

    Pass Interference / Illegal Contact Penalties Drawn
    Deep Left: 1 For 30 Yards
    Deep Middle: 1 For 15 Yards
    Deep Right: 6 For 135 Yards

    Deep All: 8 For 180 Yards


    And just for kicks, here is the comparison with Tom Brady:

    Deep Left: 15/48, 452 Yards, 4 TD, 1 INT --> 31.3%, 9.4 Y/A, 86.5 QB Rating
    Deep Middle: 14/33, 391 Yards, 4 TD, 1 INT --> 42.4%, 11.8 Y/A, 113.8 QB Rating
    Deep Right: 10/38, 306 Yards, 2 TD, 3 INT --> 26.3%, 8.1 Y/A, 45.3 QB Rating

    Deep All: 39/119, 1149 Yards, 10 TD, 5 INT --> 32.8%, 9.7 Y/A, 80.1 QB Rating

    Pass Interference / Illegal Contact Penalties Drawn
    Deep Left: 2 For 31 Yards
    Deep Middle: 1 For 38 Yards
    Deep Right: 4 For 90 Yards

    Deep All: 7 For 159 Yards
    i defended him as one of the better deep ball QBs in the league which these numbers would seem to support. Im not sure who else would have over a 120 rating on deep passes. Any chance you have Rodgers numbers? I believe most say hes the best when arguing that Flacco isnt good at all.
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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    i defended him as one of the better deep ball QBs in the league which these numbers would seem to support. Im not sure who else would have over a 120 rating on deep passes. Any chance you have Rodgers numbers? I believe most say hes the best when arguing that Flacco isnt good at all.
    I could look them up. Takes a little while though and I don't have the free time to do it at this moment, but maybe in a little bit.




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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    Drew Brees while ur at it... I think he's got the best deep ball stats, last i checkd at least




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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    i defended him as one of the better deep ball QBs in the league which these numbers would seem to support. Im not sure who else would have over a 120 rating on deep passes. Any chance you have Rodgers numbers? I believe most say hes the best when arguing that Flacco isnt good at all.
    Turns out I had a moment to get this info for you, but I didn't bother looking up penalty yards this time.... Here it is:

    Aaron Rodgers

    Deep Left: 9/27, 218 Yards, 3 TD, 0 INT --> 33.3%, 8.1 Y/A, 100.5 QB Rating
    Deep Middle: 12/25, 341 Yards, 4 TD, 3 INT --> 48%, 13.6 Y/A, 94.2 QB Rating
    Deep Right: 26/52, 850 Yards, 8 TD, 1 INT --> 50%, 16.3 Y/A, 127.4 QB Rating

    Deep All: 47/104, 1409 Yards, 15 TD, 4 INT --> 45.2%, 13.5 Y/A, 115.4 QB Rating

    This is... remarkably similar to Joe's numbers! Comparing them... Flacco's stat first, then Rodgers', better number italicized:

    Completion Percentage: 43.1% < 45.2%
    Yards Per Attempt: 13.1 < 13.5
    Yards: 1799 > 1409
    TDs: 15 = 15
    INTs: 2 > 4
    QB Rating: 120.5 > 115.4

    Very close in nearly every regard, but Flacco's got the slight edge on him.




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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    Drew Brees while ur at it... I think he's got the best deep ball stats, last i checkd at least
    Hope I get a chance to look into it shortly for you... For now, check out my comparison of Flacco to Rodgers just above this comment.




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    Re: Joe Flacco's price has certainly gone up.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    Drew Brees while ur at it... I think he's got the best deep ball stats, last i checkd at least
    Alright, got some time to do this one as well:

    Drew Brees

    Deep Left: 14/35, 433 Yards, 4 TD, 3 INT --> 40%, 12.4 Y/A, 89.3 QB Rating
    Deep Middle: 22/39, 681 Yards, 4 TD, 4 INT --> 56.4%, 17.5 Y/A, 95.8 QB Rating
    Deep Right: 16/33, 459 Yards, 4 TD, 0 INT --> 48.5%, 13.9 Y/A, 134.2 QB Rating

    Deep All: 52/107, 1573 Yards, 12 TD, 7 INT --> 48.6%, 14.7 Y/A, 104.8 QB Rating




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