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    Re: Manti Te'o hoax (wth?!?)



    Quote Originally Posted by Dade View Post
    Good one.
    Somebody is trolling somebody here...




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    @SportsCenter: NEW DEVELOPMENT - Former ND teammate tells ESPN's Bob Holtzman that many players knew Lennay Kekua wasn't really Manti Te'o's girlfriend.


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    Re: Manti Te'o hoax (wth?!?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    @SportsCenter: NEW DEVELOPMENT - Former ND teammate tells ESPN's Bob Holtzman that many players knew Lennay Kekua wasn't really Manti Te'o's girlfriend.


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    This is getting stranger and stranger. Why would someone wait till now to blow the whistle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    This is getting stranger and stranger. Why would someone wait till now to blow the whistle?
    Why would a teammate blow the whistle before the end of the season? Could only hurt the team before the Nat'l championship game. It was certainly a big part of Te'o's Hesiman chances, which in turn is a big part of why they were included in the Nat'l championship.




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    Twitter account has been debunked, it was re-created this week. Either someone who was involved picked it up again or we have someone just using it to poke fun at the story...




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    Re: Manti Te'o hoax (wth?!?)

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    First of all, it isn't "established" that Te'o deceived his family. But even if it were, so Te'o deceived EVERYONE around him--friends, family, teammates, MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA, etc. and yet you can't accept that it's not a bridge too far to believe he did it wilfully, instead of just out of embarassment?

    A practiced and skillful deceiver like Te'o is not prone to be so easily deceived by others. So you mean to tell me that all the times Manti told his family he was meeting her in Hawaii, only for her not to show up, he never got concerned, nor did his family? All the times he interacted with her family (people obviously of varying ages, backgrounds, and personalities) he never noticed anything weird about their interactions? He never found it strange that even though she claimed (AND HE TOLD OTHERS) that she was in the hospital, no nurses ever came to check her blood pressure?

    I mean, there are just STAGGERING leaps of faith you need to make to believe that Te'o was just merrily trotting along, being tricked by a MASSIVE web of lies and MASSIVE cast of characters, while ALL THE WHILE HE HIMSELF WAS MASTERFULLY MANIPULATING HIS ENTIRE WORLD TO ACCOUNT FOR HIS SHAME OVER AN ONLINE GIRLFRIEND.

    So after you get through believing all of that I have a great tract of oceanfront territory in Nevada I'd love to sell to you.



    First of all, the dissimilarities between Ray Lewis and Manti Te'o are too numerous to name--chiefly that we actually had access to the facts revealed by the investigation in Atlanta BECAUSE IT WAS SUBJECT TO SCRUTINY IN A PUBLIC COURT OF LAW. Te'o is, to this point, not.

    Ah, and there's the rub. I guess you're a Notre Dame fan, then? I'm not a hater of that institution, but I am hesitant to accept their word at face value--especially after we saw another similar institution like PSU lie through their teeth to protect themselves and their stakeholders. I might be cynical, but not particularly so for ND.
    WOW. A practiced and skillful deceiver???? I like how you have decided what this kid is without so much as ever having talked to him or without access to information that is surely at this point not public. Worst case scenario Manti is guilty of lying in all likelihood in order to save himself the embarrassment of admitting he was had. That is more about pride than deceit. Their is ZERO evidence other than your supposed ability to identify those who are deceitful to support the idea he was in on this from the get go. Sorry think I think that is just a little self righteous and statements like that reek of having a bone to grind with the kid or ND. I personally hate ND, I think the kid is guilty of poor judgement and likely lying to try and save himself embarrassment. Let me guess since your such a moral and upstanding person you have NEVER lied to protect your ego, protect yourself from embarrassment etc.... of course not.

    What does ND have to gain by protecting Teo? If anything they have more to lose by lying to protect him. Teo is not accused of molesting children, in fact there is nothing even remotely criminal about any of this at this point. Comparing the two situations even if in passing is tantamount to exploitation in order to further your agenda and is disrespectful to both Teo and frankly to the poor kids who REALLY WERE VICTIMS.
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    Re: Manti Te'o hoax (wth?!?)

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    Why would a teammate blow the whistle before the end of the season? Could only hurt the team before the Nat'l championship game. It was certainly a big part of Te'o's Hesiman chances, which in turn is a big part of why they were included in the Nat'l championship.
    IT was a former player, per the ESPN tweet, not a current player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenous1 View Post
    WOW. A practiced and skillful deceiver???? I like how you have decided what this kid is without so much as ever having talked to him or without access to information that is surely at this point not public. Worst case scenario Manti is guilty of lying in all likelihood in order to save himself the embarrassment of admitting he was had. That is more about pride than deceit. Their is ZERO evidence other than your supposed ability to identify those who are deceitful to support the idea he was in on this from the get go. Sorry think I think that is just a little self righteous and statements like that reek of having a bone to grind with the kid or ND. I personally hate ND, I think the kid is guilty of poor judgement and likely lying to try and save himself embarrassment. Let me guess since your such a moral and upstanding person you have NEVER lied to protect your ego, protect yourself from embarrassment etc.... of course not.

    What does ND have to gain by protecting Teo? If anything they have more to lose by lying to protect him. Teo is not accused of molesting children, in fact there is nothing even remotely criminal about any of this at this point. Comparing the two situations even if in passing is tantamount to exploitation in order to further your agenda and is disrespectful to both Teo and frankly to the poor kids who REALLY WERE VICTIMS.
    I don't see an issue with those words you bolded. At the VERY LEAST, if you take Te'o at his word(hard to do considering where I'm going) then for the better part of 3 years he lied to his friends, family members, teammates, and the national media on several occasions.
    ON TV they've been showing interviews where he describes looking into her eyes, saying she was the most beautiful person he'd ever met, etc. Quotes from his parents talking about her visiting hawaii... He obviously never was in the same place at the same time as this "girl" and ye there are plenty of quotes to oppose that.

    He is certainly a practiced and skillful deceiver. Even if he were duped on some level and not completely behind the whole thing, he was deceitful to many, many people.




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    Re: Manti Te'o hoax (wth?!?)

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I don't see an issue with those words you bolded. At the VERY LEAST, if you take Te'o at his word(hard to do considering where I'm going) then for the better part of 3 years he lied to his friends, family members, teammates, and the national media on several occasions.
    ON TV they've been showing interviews where he describes looking into her eyes, saying she was the most beautiful person he'd ever met, etc. Quotes from his parents talking about her visiting hawaii... He obviously never was in the same place at the same time as this "girl" and ye there are plenty of quotes to oppose that.

    He is certainly a practiced and skillful deceiver. Even if he were duped on some level and not completely behind the whole thing, he was deceitful to many, many people.
    Jonboy. don't you think before you pass that judgement you should hear an explanation?

    I ask because, he told the ND AD the "we met" and the ND Ad said "wait what do you mean we met" T'eo said "yeah, we met online" (that is the Ad's account anyway).

    When he says he starred into her eyes, is it possible he meant the pictures he had over her?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    IT was a former player, per the ESPN tweet, not a current player.
    you are right, misread that in my quickness... subtle be important distinction there.

    I freely admit I'm quick to rush to judgement with what I'm about to say, but I think my first reaction is correct. I think Te'o is gay, and this story was a cover-up. I think he was afraid to tell the truth to eiter his teammates or his parents. If I were a reporter I would NOT report anything to this effect, but it's jsut a hunch I have. It certainly is an explanation that is feasible and would solve many of the problems we are discussing. IUt would explainthe extent he went to keep this going, etc. It would be irresponsible to suggest this if I were not some anonymous shmuck on a very unrelated web forum.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Jonboy. don't you think before you pass that judgement you should hear an explanation?

    I ask because, he told the ND AD the "we met" and the ND Ad said "wait what do you mean we met" T'eo said "yeah, we met online" (that is the Ad's account anyway).

    When he says he starred into her eyes, is it possible he meant the pictures he had over her?
    The most beautiful woman he ever met, not jsut her physical beauty, but inside her, etc... SURE, I can buy that not necissarily meaning met in real life.

    Staring into someone's eyes, is not something I associate with pictures... that' a face to face thing to me. Is it "POSSIBLE" that's how he meant it? I guess.

    They "met" supposedly at a game at Stanford? Any other way to take that? His parents knew she came to Hawaii and they spent time together there? Not sure how else to take that. Perhaps he went to go party with his boys and wanted to make his parents continue to believe he met his future wife...

    Yes, I would liek to hear an HONEST account from his perspective, not sure we ever will.

    Too much smoke for me. I think he was involved. The more I hear, see, and think, the more strongly I feel that way.




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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    The most beautiful woman he ever met, not jsut her physical beauty, but inside her, etc... SURE, I can buy that not necissarily meaning met in real life.

    Staring into someone's eyes, is not something I associate with pictures... that' a face to face thing to me. Is it "POSSIBLE" that's how he meant it? I guess.

    They "met" supposedly at a game at Stanford? Any other way to take that? His parents knew she came to Hawaii and they spent time together there? Not sure how else to take that. Perhaps he went to go party with his boys and wanted to make his parents continue to believe he met his future wife...

    Yes, I would liek to hear an HONEST account from his perspective, not sure we ever will.

    Too much smoke for me. I think he was involved. The more I hear, see, and think, the more strongly I feel that way.
    Yeah, the met after the Stanford game is the one that sticks out to me. I wonder if that is what he said then or what he told people after "being together"...

    I think it could be a coverup he is gay, I think it's more likely he's virgin was desperate for a relationship that didn't have the pressure of pending sex, got duped and made a few white lies not knowing what was really going on. Who knows if the full truth comes out though.
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    Re: Manti Te'o hoax (wth?!?)

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I think it could be a coverup he is gay, I think it's more likely he's virgin was desperate for a relationship that didn't have the pressure of pending sex, got duped and made a few white lies not knowing what was really going on. Who knows if the full truth comes out though.
    This is the most likely explanation.

    What bothers me is if someone was just trying to scam him...Scam him to what end? Money, favors, gifts? There doesn't seem to be any clear indication of any potential gain from a scammer's prespective. Unless that person is just sick and gets their jollies off by doing stuff like this.

    I lean to him being involved because I can see I can see how he gained from having his "girlfriend" die tragically. National level exposure, 2nd in Heisman voting (a defensive player mind you), potential 1st round draft choice, etc.

    All in all a very strange story.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Yeah, the met after the Stanford game is the one that sticks out to me. I wonder if that is what he said then or what he told people after "being together"...

    I think it could be a coverup he is gay, I think it's more likely he's virgin was desperate for a relationship that didn't have the pressure of pending sex, got duped and made a few white lies not knowing what was really going on. Who knows if the full truth comes out though.
    Another plausible explanation of why he could be involved...
    The long-distance GF thing sut screams of me as something one would say to get the boys off his back for not scoring with chicks at parties.




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    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...re-suspicious/

    Apparently he's an attention whore.




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