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    Re: The Arc on Joe's ball.



    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    Actually, yes. He did it at the combine, in front of coaches.

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    Is it on video anywhere? Any sources?

    Well if Flacco practiced I'm sure he could too, then. Because there is no doubt Flacco has more velocity and arm strength than Kyle Boller. (and 100 times more accuracy)




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    Re: The Arc on Joe's ball.

    Kyle, I got a total arc length of 66.3 yards. And yes Cpt, that is quite different from what you got.

    Cpt, maybe Iím misreading this but it looks like in your calculation of max height attained, you used 22.175m/s which strikes me as a total speed instead of vertical speed. Either way, I did a time step simulation which is a very different analysis than the one you performed though we definitely shouldnít be getting results this different. I could easily have errors in my work as I didnít put a great deal of time into this.

    Iíll give a brief overview of my method
    Drag Force = .5 * density * vel^2 * Reference Area * Coefficient of drag (~.055 for spinning football)
    Y-accel = - Gravity Ė [ Drag * sin(pitch angle) ] / mass_of_football
    X-accel = - [ Drag * cos(pitch angle) ] / mass_of_football
    Y-vel = Y-vel_old + Y-accel * delta_time <- (same format for x, or arc velocity)
    Y-position = y-position_old + (y-vel_old + y-vel)/2 * delta_time <-(same format for x, or arc length)
    These are performed at each successive time step until y position is less than zero (ball hits ground).

    There are some other minor steps and a number of assumptions that Iíve left out.




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    Re: The Arc on Joe's ball.

    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleApocalypse37 View Post
    Is it on video anywhere? Any sources?

    Well if Flacco practiced I'm sure he could too, then. Because there is no doubt Flacco has more velocity and arm strength than Kyle Boller. (and 100 times more accuracy)
    I can't find video of it, but I did find this beauty





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    Re: The Arc on Joe's ball.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roland of Gilead View Post
    Yup. The other main factor was Jacoby slowing down, which I think caused Moore to focus more on Pitta. Once Flacco stepped up and heaved I think everyone involved said "Oh shit!" and Moore couldn't get there while Jacoby could. There was a lot more to it than Moore not being deep enough, but I don't expect to hear many analysts give Flacco or Jones credit because most of them suck at their jobs.
    Roland you've hit the nail on the head. I watched this play over and over [dvr] , frame by frame. You can plainly see when Joe moves up in the pocket, Moore spys Pitta wide open in the middle of the field, he goes towards Pitta and then sees Joe lean back and launch one. He didn't have time to get back to position himself to cover Jones properly. IT WAS A THING OF BEAUTY - Gonz




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    Re: The Arc on Joe's ball.

    This thread needs a gif.
    If it messes up the thread for those with slow connections let me know and I'll take it off.





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    Re: The Arc on Joe's ball.

    Oops...I see someone else already did a really nice job on the physics.
    Last edited by Filmstudy; 01-26-2013 at 12:39 PM.




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    Re: The Arc on Joe's ball.

    I've read through three pages of math and have yet to find one person that would get more than a 65 on the test. lol.

    I sucked at Calculus, Physics and never took statistics, so I guess I'm up a creek too. lol.
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    Re: The Arc on Joe's ball.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOeL1....SJ12dtby.dpuf

    From a fan in Denver......too funny!




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    Re: The Arc on Joe's ball.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens75 View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOeL1....SJ12dtby.dpuf

    From a fan in Denver......too funny!
    Like the kid who just finished second in the pageant. lol.
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    Re: The Arc on Joe's ball.

    Thinking Moore thought Flacco couldn't throw it that far is ridiculous. Moore bit on Pitta and simply didn't get back in time. Simple as that. Pretty sure he knew Joe could throw it that far.




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    Quote Originally Posted by KbubbaK View Post
    Thinking Moore thought Flacco couldn't throw it that far is ridiculous. Moore bit on Pitta and simply didn't get back in time. Simple as that. Pretty sure he knew Joe could throw it that far.
    The Broncos were supposed to be playing 3 safeties deep, but our old friend, Jim Leonhard, also bit on covering for the 1st down and that also made Moore hold toward the middle just a little longer. In fact, if you watch some of the wide angle videos of the play, you can see that Boldin was pretty open down the middle of the field too!
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    Re: The Arc on Joe's ball.

    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleApocalypse37 View Post
    Is it on video anywhere? Any sources?

    Well if Flacco practiced I'm sure he could too, then. Because there is no doubt Flacco has more velocity and arm strength than Kyle Boller. (and 100 times more accuracy)
    There used to be a video of it. I remember seeing it when he was drafted and thinking damn. It was when he was drafted and he got down on one knee at the 50 and threw it through the goal posts.




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    Re: The Arc on Joe's ball.

    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleApocalypse37 View Post
    Is it on video anywhere? Any sources?

    Well if Flacco practiced I'm sure he could too, then. Because there is no doubt Flacco has more velocity and arm strength than Kyle Boller. (and 100 times more accuracy)
    I don't know. Boller's velocity and arm strength was ridiculous. He had no touch though to his throws so even someone 5 yards away got a 50 mph rocket that about knocked'em over.




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    Re: The Arc on Joe's ball.

    Quote Originally Posted by KbubbaK View Post
    Thinking Moore thought Flacco couldn't throw it that far is ridiculous. Moore bit on Pitta and simply didn't get back in time. Simple as that. Pretty sure he knew Joe could throw it that far.
    He did bite, but he had time, he misjudged the trajectory of the ball. I stand by him thinking that a ball with that much height wasn't going to travel over his head. Joe also mentioned that the reason he arc'd it so high is because Von Miller was in his face and he had to throw it over his hands. If not for Miller, Joe probably could have hit him with more of a rope that would have been an even easier score. Then again, Jones wouldn't have been able to "breakbasket" it like a punt and probably would have dropped it

    No doubt that Boldin was also wide open down the middle for a likely score as well.




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    Re: The Arc on Joe's ball.

    Quote Originally Posted by somedumbguy View Post
    There used to be a video of it. I remember seeing it when he was drafted and thinking damn. It was when he was drafted and he got down on one knee at the 50 and threw it through the goal posts.
    Can't find the video, but here's the report on Boller's Pro Day from Don Banks:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ins.../03/13/boller/

    "After his official workout concluded, the 6-foot-3, 230-pound Boller pulled off a feat he had colorfully described to the national media at the Combine. From his knees at the 50-yard line, Boller threw a ball through the uprights, drawing a round of applause from the gathering of NFL scouts and coaches. "




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