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  1. #91


    I like how players are always devalued after playing the Ravens, Champ Bailey is a Pro Bowler and 2nd team All-Pro this year (not to mention the rhetoric before the game was that he'd shut Torrey down) and now because he was toasted by Torrey he's just an old, overrated corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds View Post
    I like how players are always devalued after playing the Ravens, Champ Bailey is a Pro Bowler and 2nd team All-Pro this year (not to mention the rhetoric before the game was that he'd shut Torrey down) and now because he was toasted by Torrey he's just an old, overrated corner.

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    All last week I heard how bad champ was gonna shut down Torrey and now champ is a washed up scrub. It's hilarious


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  3. #93

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    In shorts and a TShirt at the combine doesn't make for a adequate representation. Torrey has run past every corner in the league, to include burning your precious McCourty in the first match up. But it really doesn't matter because he won't be running with him anyway. So the whole argument is moot.
    Can you debate it like an adult or do you have to throw in childish comments "your Precious" McCourtey?

    Second, McCourtey was playing CB then and for whatever reason he just struggled over the past two years at CB. His athleticism has been on display since moving to safety and has really solidified the back end of the defense. His range is impressive, because of his speed.




  4. #94

    Re: How we should attack the Patriots

    We'll get our chances to go deep as we have all year. If you double up on Smith someone will get single coverage underneath. You can't double up on everyone with 11 players. What if we have Jones and Smith in, do we now draw 4 players to cover 2? In the Colts game Smith drew the safety into double coverage allowing Boldin to get isolated for big gains. I also expect to expose the linebackers in coverage. NFL network just showed when we played earlier in the year 2 linebackers trying to bracket Rice coming out of the backfield and they were too slow to contain him for a big game. It'll be a cat and mouse game on both sides. Like the Broncos game I expect to see some big plays and turnovers will have a huge impact on the game. Win the turnover battle will go a long way to winning the game.




  5. #95

    Re: How we should attack the Patriots

    Quote Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds View Post
    I like how players are always devalued after playing the Ravens, Champ Bailey is a Pro Bowler and 2nd team All-Pro this year (not to mention the rhetoric before the game was that he'd shut Torrey down) and now because he was toasted by Torrey he's just an old, overrated corner.

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    Pro Bowls don't mean anything, its a popularity contest. Second, he is a solid corner, but he doesn't have the speed to shut down fast receivers any longer, he gets by on wit at this point. In addition look at who they played for offenses during their winning streak? Not exactly murderers row of WR/QB combos, NO was impressive to a degree but they were hit or miss this year. Your team was struggling on offense and missing Dickson when they played you. Dalton wasn't playing all that great in the 2nd half of the season etc....

    I'm not devaluaing him because of your game, he simply isn't the same guy and hasn't been for the better part of the last two years.




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    Quote Originally Posted by mgcolby View Post
    Pro Bowls don't mean anything, its a popularity contest. Second, he is a solid corner, but he doesn't have the speed to shut down fast receivers any longer, he gets by on wit at this point. In addition look at who they played for offenses during their winning streak? Not exactly murderers row of WR/QB combos, NO was impressive to a degree but they were hit or miss this year. Your team was struggling on offense and missing Dickson when they played you. Dalton wasn't playing all that great in the 2nd half of the season etc....

    I'm not devaluaing him because of your game, he simply isn't the same guy and hasn't been for the better part of the last two years.
    Stop talking out of your ass

    This season Bailey has been responsible for stopping the oppositionís top receiver, and has done so while leading the league in Yards per Coverage Snap, with 0.82. He has done especially well during the Past five games ó teams have avoided him, throwing his way only 16 times, and Bailey allowed just half of them to be caught for 85 yards.

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  7. #97

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfish View Post
    We'll get our chances to go deep as we have all year. If you double up on Smith someone will get single coverage underneath. You can't double up on everyone with 11 players. What if we have Jones and Smith in, do we now draw 4 players to cover 2? In the Colts game Smith drew the safety into double coverage allowing Boldin to get isolated for big gains. I also expect to expose the linebackers in coverage. NFL network just showed when we played earlier in the year 2 linebackers trying to bracket Rice coming out of the backfield and they were too slow to contain him for a big game. It'll be a cat and mouse game on both sides. Like the Broncos game I expect to see some big plays and turnovers will have a huge impact on the game. Win the turnover battle will go a long way to winning the game.
    Having Jones in does create a dillema. You have to double Smith and I would bracket Jones and put Talib in Man on Boldin in that situation. I don't think you will see them bracketing Rice, I think they will have a speedy LB (Tracy White) spying him out of the backfield. Mayo is not slow, Hightower is big but solid in coverage. Spikes is the weak link in the LB coverage.

    The middle of the field is where Flacco has to be good. I just don't think he can do it. It seems it is either all or nothing with Flacco. Meaning he either hits for the big play or you guys putter out. The drive charts over the past two weeks point to that, only 4 drives of 7 or more plays and of those four drives only one resulted in points (FG).

    I think your LB's have a bigger problem in coverage, Ellerbee is a huge liability in coverage, Ray is far to slow to be affective in coverage. I know it might be no no to say that on here. But don't believe me go back and watch him the last two weeks.




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    Re: How we should attack the Patriots

    Quote Originally Posted by mgcolby View Post
    Pro Bowls don't mean anything, its a popularity contest. Second, he is a solid corner, but he doesn't have the speed to shut down fast receivers any longer, he gets by on wit at this point. In addition look at who they played for offenses during their winning streak? Not exactly murderers row of WR/QB combos, NO was impressive to a degree but they were hit or miss this year. Your team was struggling on offense and missing Dickson when they played you. Dalton wasn't playing all that great in the 2nd half of the season etc....

    I'm not devaluaing him because of your game, he simply isn't the same guy and hasn't been for the better part of the last two years.
    Throughout this season, Champ has shut down several receivers who are, if you go by 40 times, faster than Torrey Smith, e.g. Mike Wallace, Darius Heyward-Bey, Travis Benjamin, Steve Smith, Vincent Jackson, etc.




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    Before our game there was nobody who, throughout the 16 game season, questioned whether or not Bailey was capable of shutting Torrey down. There's a reason the Broncos felt confident leaving him in man with no Safety help.

    Also, if you focus on taking Boldin and Smith out, fine, but none of the linebackers can keep up Rice, Pitta or even Dickson.

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  10. #100

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    Stop talking out of your ass

    This season Bailey has been responsible for stopping the opposition’s top receiver, and has done so while leading the league in Yards per Coverage Snap, with 0.82. He has done especially well during the Past five games — teams have avoided him, throwing his way only 16 times, and Bailey allowed just half of them to be caught for 85 yards.

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    Out of my ass?

    Last five games?

    Impressive: Freeman, Palmer, Flacco, Weeden/Mcoy, and Quinn. That is your supporting argument?




  11. #101

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgcolby View Post
    Out of my ass?

    Last five games?

    Impressive: Freeman, Palmer, Flacco, Weeden/Mcoy, and Quinn. That is your supporting argument?
    Damn, when did QB's start running routes?




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    Re: How we should attack the Patriots

    Quote Originally Posted by mgcolby View Post
    Having Jones in does create a dillema. You have to double Smith and I would bracket Jones and put Talib in Man on Boldin in that situation. I don't think you will see them bracketing Rice, I think they will have a speedy LB (Tracy White) spying him out of the backfield. Mayo is not slow, Hightower is big but solid in coverage. Spikes is the weak link in the LB coverage.

    The middle of the field is where Flacco has to be good. I just don't think he can do it. It seems it is either all or nothing with Flacco. Meaning he either hits for the big play or you guys putter out. The drive charts over the past two weeks point to that, only 4 drives of 7 or more plays and of those four drives only one resulted in points (FG).

    I think your LB's have a bigger problem in coverage, Ellerbee is a huge liability in coverage, Ray is far to slow to be affective in coverage. I know it might be no no to say that on here. But don't believe me go back and watch him the last two weeks.
    If Talib is covering Boldin, that means he's moving into the slot which is where Boldin plays the vast majority of the time in 3 receiver sets. I don't recall seeing him play slot that often, as I thought Kyle Arrington was your slot guy? As for your linebackers, I think we can attack them down the seams with Pitta, Boldin and Rice. We'll find out just how well they can cover.

    Ellerbe is actually pretty fast and is decent in coverage, IMO.




  13. #103

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds View Post
    Before our game there was nobody who, throughout the 16 game season, questioned whether or not Bailey was capable of shutting Torrey down. There's a reason the Broncos felt confident leaving him in man with no Safety help.

    Also, if you focus on taking Boldin and Smith out, fine, but none of the linebackers can keep up Rice, Pitta or even Dickson.

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    You have no reason to know this, but I had you guys beating the Broncos.

    And your LB's can cover Welker, Hernandez, Woodhead, Ridley and Vereen? They couldn't cover Moreno and Stokely.




  14. #104

    Re: How we should attack the Patriots

    Pats season was full of wins against bad teams, though one bad team beat the pats early in the season. Playing the jets, dolphins and bills was a no brainer,but several games were close. Titans and jags was easy for the pats. Against postseason teams the pats lost to 49ers,Ravens, and seattle. Only winning teams the pats beat were the colts,broncos, and texans. At home has it's advantages.Texans imploded at end of season and colts were in a division that was average at best.Broncos had a soft schedule and beat the teams they should have.
    The Ravens play a tougher division, beat the broncos and colts like they should have. Playing in denver should have been a disaster for the Ravens, but they hung tough and won. Two teams, bengals and Ravens made life tough for the no 1 defense and kept those guys at home this year. Losing to houston and denver came at a time where the Ravens had a problem with back up players and coaching change. Tough year for the Ravens(injuries, coach change, and losing three games by 3 points or less), and dealing with a tough division.
    In summary, pats had to deal with teams that did not stand a chance against them, won big time against teams with losing records and is in a soft division. No pressure on pats because they were favored from the start. Ravens, meanwhile ,lost Suggs before the season, lost Webb and Ray Lewis during the season, played without key other players(Ellerbe, Yanda, Ngata, Smith, and other players), had a OC who couldn't use his offense properly, and still won the division. Yea, they weren't favored to, most had them missing the postseason. Flacco has evolved in the last 3 games that he played in, receivers are more in sync with Caldwell program, and the Oline has done wonders recently.
    I'll leyt the game be played and deal with whatever happens. Will the pats posters be back to discuss the game? We 'll see how it turns out to find that answer.




  15. #105

    Re: How we should attack the Patriots

    Quote Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds View Post
    Damn, when did QB's start running routes?


    Really? That is your response. You are funny. Haha! I see where this conversation is going to go.




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