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    What If on Caldwell



    I know we're focused on Denver and winning, but...

    Has Caldwell done enough to earn another year as OC, in your opinion?

    We've got 4 games of Caldwell, with a 5th coming in Denver:

    1 vs Broncos - Showed some promise, but offense still sputtered a bit
    2 vs Giants - Offense looked HOT, lots of people were very assured by this game
    3 @ Cincy - Hard to use this game as judgement with the backups, but offense was still a bit of a quagmire. Joe looked good throwing over the middle, but failed to score in his drives.
    4 vs Colts - Offense was shaky in the beginning, roared more in the end.

    If he does well in Denver, win or lose, I think he buys that 2nd year. But, let's say we come out and have another game like the one at home. Is that enough to decide to go fishing for an OC? Or has he done enough with the final 3 regular season games and the Colts win to earn another year?

    I'm curious of the opinions. Even if someone like Norv or Shurmur or Whiz is available, you have to consider the comfort level with Joe in the equation. I think they have to give Caldwell another year, but I can see why you might still not be sold.
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    Re: What If on Caldwell

    Do we know if he even wants the position? Haven't heard him say anything on the matter.

    Assuming he wants it, I believe he should be a candidate and go through the process along with other candidates. May the best man win.
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    Re: What If on Caldwell

    It depends on several factors. Does he want the job? Do the Ravens want to implement a different system from the Air Coryell they've been running the last 5 years under Cam? If the Raven's want a new offensive system, does Caldwell even have an offensive system to implement? Even if the Ravens are happy with Caldwell, do they like someone else better?




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    Re: What If on Caldwell

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    Do we know if he even wants the position? Haven't heard him say anything on the matter.

    Assuming he wants it, I believe he should be a candidate and go through the process along with other candidates. May the best man win.
    While that's true, I know he wants a HC gig again, I don't see him being requested for interviews. If he wants to be a HC again, I think his best career path is being the OC here.

    Would just seem odd to take over the job for a few months, only to step back aside after that. Could happen, but I'd be shocked if he only wanted to be OC for a few weeks, then went back to QB coach.
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    Re: What If on Caldwell

    It's too soon to tell.
    We'll need to beat Denver, Texas or NE, then whoever wins the NFC.
    Then we'll have a better idea




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    Re: What If on Caldwell

    I really don't get the sense that Caldwell is viewed as a serious contender for the job unless the offense basically carries the team to a Super Bowl run and Caldwell makes himself indispensable.

    I think he's a placeholder for now--the OC shake up was not a "move to Caldwell," but rather just a move AWAY from Cam, and Caldwell presented the best option as an interim playcaller.

    I continue to think they will make a big play for Norv Turner this offseason.




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    Re: What If on Caldwell

    He's done enough to be considered and interviewed for it if he wants.

    I have been saying this since he took over, this team would be incredibly stupid, regardless of how this offense does over the next 6 games or so if we made it that far, to just hand him the OC job with so many other candidates out there.

    It's just WAY too small of a sample size and to be honest, Caldwell hasn't even had a chance to really implement his stamp/philosophy on this offense due to the timing.

    I said this as soon as he replaced Cam, I said it after the Giants game, and I'm saying it now.

    Do NOT pigeon hole yourself into committing to Caldwell without seeing what else is out there.

    I don't care how well, or bad we do.

    Caldwell has a spot on this staff as a QB coach at a minimum IMHO, but no, to me it will be impossible for it to be smart to give it to him without interviewing other candidates.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: What If on Caldwell

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    Even if someone like Norv or Shurmur or Whiz is available, you have to consider the comfort level with Joe in the equation.
    Consider, of course--one need look no farther afield than the Three Sewers to see what happens when the QB and the OC are out of sync--but you can't make it the decisive factor. Joe is not going to carry this team single-handedly to multiple Super Bowls--but add in the 2-1/2 headed monster at RB and an OL that's playing decently & the future looks bright. Let's find a guy who knows his Xs and Os but also understands what each player brings to the table & how to get the best out of them. And can bring in decent assistants (Moeller at a minimum has to go). If that's Caldwell, fine. If not, give Joe an offseason to adjust to the new OC & unless the guy's a total dickhead, all will be well.




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    Re: What If on Caldwell

    If he wants the job, I think he should get the job. I'd think that since he's hasnt done it, he'd welcome the challenge.

    Most importantly, Joe likes Jim a lot. There is a tangible improvement in Joe's play during the past 2 full games. Notice how Joe is suddenly a little more active in the pocket. Instead of waiting forever until Cam's frickin slow routes develop, Jim is calling quicker patterns and when Joe sees they're not open, he moves around. Fundamentally, if a pattern takes a long time to complete, a QB is naturally going to be focused on waiting for that moment, instead of moving around to avoid pressure. If Joe actually moved around like he should of to avoid pressure, he would have missed that moment when the pattern actually did open up. Cam's offense was an epic failure b/c it was based on long developing patterns, and he did nothing to help Joe out with max protection. Look I'm not saying Joe has great pocket presence... its probably average at best... but every QB would have been bad in Cam's offense. Honestly, the only QB that might have been ok n Cam's O, would have been Big Ben, but he would have gotten injured. Sorry for the tangent with the Cam rant, but what we we've seen so far with Jim is proof that Cam had no clue.

    Back on topic, its also obvious that he has a better feel for the game than Cam. Notice how they correctly adjusted at halftime during the Colts game and the great results. When did Cam correctly make adjustments? Maybe a handful of times??

    Jim will put his spin on things next year (more rubs like in Peyton's Offense). I'm all in with Jim.




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    Re: What If on Caldwell

    The body of work thus has been pretty good yet limited. I think we should see how far his playcalling and adjustments take us before we start the petition to keep him permanently.




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    Re: What If on Caldwell

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    Do we know if he even wants the position? Haven't heard him say anything on the matter.

    Assuming he wants it, I believe he should be a candidate and go through the process along with other candidates. May the best man win.
    That's a real good question. From the quotes we've seen it doesn't sound like he really does want the job. It's hard to know though because he's in a very tough situation. If Caldwell could put in his own system he might feel differently. You have to wonder though what Caldwell's system really is since he's never done this before.
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    Re: What If on Caldwell

    Why aren't people account for the likelihood that Caldwell simply steps back down to QB coach? After all, he's only an interim OC. I see no reason to think that he's either OC next year or he's gone. The organization wants to keep Flacco happy and the best way to do that is to keep Caldwell on staff, but not necessarily as OC.

    The most likely scenario IMO is that Caldwell steps down from interim OC back to QB coach and a different, more experienced OC like Norv Turner or Ken Whisenhunt is brought in. I see no reason Caldwell wouldn't accept that. I presume nothing has been promised to him and have seen nothing to indicate otherwise.

    I really don't see the incentive for Caldwell to aggressively pursue the OC spot. He's shown that he can handle calling plays which is nice, but he's just as likely to get a look as a HC candidate if he stays at QB coach and continues to progress in developing Joe Flacco. Remember that he made the jump straight from QB coach to HC in Indianapolis--going from position coach to HC without being a coordinator in between happens all the time.




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