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    Re: What If on Caldwell



    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    I dunno. On the radio they we're saying it isn't believed that he want's the job.

    As for Norv, I dont really want him. Does his philosphy fit our players the best? I'd say No. Wisenhut would be more suited honestly. Other than that I dunno.
    This. I really don't think Caldwell wants the job... I think it's wrong to even assume that he's a candidate at this point. When asked if he would take over as OC he reportedly told them to ask Wilbert Montgomery first. I think he's doing the job right now because there's no other option. I doubt anything has changed or will change in terms of him wanting the job and I don't think he's going to be the OC next year.

    Ken Whisenhunt would also be at the top of my list, but that would involve a system change that our conservative HC might be wary of. The great appeal of Turner is that not only is he a great offensive mind, but he uses the same terminology and system that our whole team is used to, albeit a more modern and aggressive version.




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    Actually, I believe when they told him he'd be calling plays, he suggested Jim Hostler first, because he had experience doing it.

    To me, I just don't get it. Why wouldn't you want an OC job, unless you can't take the pressure. And supposedly, Caldwell wants the pressure because he wants to get back to HC. That just reminds me of Mark Carrier, who left the Ravens DB coach job a few years ago to take the Jets DL coach job, because it was "a better opportunity for advancement". He is currently the DB coach with the Bengals...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    Norv Turner.
    I only have one concern about Norv. He's one of the "old guard" in the NFL. Is his style of offense still effective in the modern-day NFL? Do we want someone younger that may be a bit more creative?

    If we don't keep Caldwell in this spot of course.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    Actually, I believe when they told him he'd be calling plays, he suggested Jim Hostler first, because he had experience doing it.

    To me, I just don't get it. Why wouldn't you want an OC job, unless you can't take the pressure. And supposedly, Caldwell wants the pressure because he wants to get back to HC. That just reminds me of Mark Carrier, who left the Ravens DB coach job a few years ago to take the Jets DL coach job, because it was "a better opportunity for advancement". He is currently the DB coach with the Bengals...
    Maybe Caldwell doesn't think he'd be good at it. Right now he's running an existing system. That's a lot different from designing your own.

    If Harbaugh loses his job could become a DC or would he only get opportunities as a special teams coach? He did coach defensive backs for a year. Does that mean he would be a good DC? Obviously the ability to be a coordinator does have anything to do with being a head coach. Harbaugh and Caldwell are examples of that. Tomlin only spent 1 season as a DC and won a Super Bowl as a head coach. I think it's possible to be a good head coach without being a good coordinator. Caldwell might have a better shot at a head coaching job being a great QB coach instead of a mediocre OC.
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    The other thing with Caldwell is that we should see before handing him the job if he can create a new system. Whoever OC's next year, I would rather they NOT run Cam Cameron's system.




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    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    The other thing with Caldwell is that we should see before handing him the job if he can create a new system. Whoever OC's next year, I would rather they NOT run Cam Cameron's system.
    The system's mostly fine--still needs a few tweaks to fully modernize it.

    Cam could design a good system, he just couldn't run it.

    Caldwell's familiar with a similar system, Tom Moore (Colts former OC) gradually modified his system from the Air Coryell.
    As is Norv Turner and a few others.

    I see no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater here.




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    Re: What If on Caldwell

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    I only have one concern about Norv. He's one of the "old guard" in the NFL. Is his style of offense still effective in the modern-day NFL? Do we want someone younger that may be a bit more creative?

    If we don't keep Caldwell in this spot of course.
    Yep and what I was thinking. Throwing out what he did way in the past,look at SD. He had 2 very tall and fast receivers, a monster at TE and a RB that was elusive and good in space. Their MO was BIG plays! Until they hit the playoffs an played a team that could limit that, and they rolled off into the sunset with even a appearence at a SB. I just don't feel he would be a good fit here.




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    Re: What If on Caldwell

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    The other thing with Caldwell is that we should see before handing him the job if he can create a new system. Whoever OC's next year, I would rather they NOT run Cam Cameron's system.


    Amen to that!
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    i would give caldwell more credit for sundays win. if ray rice doesn;t fumble twice the ravens would have scored 30+.

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    People have mentioned that there are legit questions as to if he really wants the job.

    Why would some of you just hand someone the job who's heart may not be totally in it?
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    People have mentioned that there are legit questions as to if he really wants the job.

    Why would some of you just hand someone the job who's heart may not be totally in it?
    I don't think you do just hand the job to him. I think he is, and has been evaluated during the past 4 weeks. And I must say, regardless of what happens from here on out he has shown that he is very capable. He understands how to make adjustments when things aren't working, something Cameron never did. If he doesn't want the job then the ravens move on and find someone else. As for those who don't think he can develop his own system, I think he already has a "system" to build on. He just needs to tweak a few things, and taylor his plays to the talent he has.

    I say if he wants this job, he'll get it, and rightfully so. Norv is NOT the answer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowrider View Post
    I don't think you do just hand the job to him. I think he is, and has been evaluated during the past 4 weeks. And I must say, regardless of what happens from here on out he has shown that he is very capable. He understands how to make adjustments when things aren't working, something Cameron never did. If he doesn't want the job then the ravens move on and find someone else. As for those who don't think he can develop his own system, I think he already has a "system" to build on. He just needs to tweak a few things, and taylor his plays to the talent he has.

    I say if he wants this job, he'll get it, and rightfully so. Norv is NOT the answer!
    I am far from a huge Norv fan. While a few may be fixated on him, there are a LOT of good offensive minds out there...too many to just say if Caldwell wants it, he should automatically get it.

    When an OC job is offered and your first instinct is to pass, that is a red flag to me.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: What If on Caldwell

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I am far from a huge Norv fan. While a few may be fixated on him, there are a LOT of good offensive minds out there...too many to just say if Caldwell wants it, he should automatically get it.

    When an OC job is offered and your first instinct is to pass, that is a red flag to me.
    I don't disagree completely I just don't think there's that many OC's available who can do a better job then Caldwell has done in his short time on the job. I hear allot of people clamoring for Norv Turner. What has he really accomplished in the new millenium? I think the players have developed a very good relationship with Caldwell. There would be some risk to disrupting that, IMO.
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    Re: What If on Caldwell

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I am far from a huge Norv fan. While a few may be fixated on him, there are a LOT of good offensive minds out there...too many to just say if Caldwell wants it, he should automatically get it.

    When an OC job is offered and your first instinct is to pass, that is a red flag to me.
    That is strange. There could be several reasons for that though.

    Maybe he is hoping to get some interest as a HC and because of that didn't/doesn't want to commit?
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