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Re: Joe Flacco Earns 60th Career Win: Most All Time In First Five Years of a QB's Career!
It is a combination of things. Putting all of the pieces together is the biggest component of a QB's success though. Tom Brady, since everyone wants to throw his name around as the threshold for "elite" play, had some outstanding seasons...but he didn't really start putting up gaudy numbers until 2007...guess what two MAJOR components they added in that off-season? Wes Welker and Randy Moss. Both in their prime. The season before, Brady's #1 receiver was Reche Caldwell who had about 60 receptions and around 800 yards.
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Re: Joe Flacco Earns 60th Career Win: Most All Time In First Five Years of a QB's Career!
Over time I've come to value SB's less and less.
Due to the NFL's one and done playoff format, any crazy thing can happen in a game to derail or promote a SB run.
Did the Patriots really deserve to win last year's AFCG? Or were they just extremely lucky, to have not one play but a second consecutive play fall in their favor. Does Eli really deserve 2 SB's because of two incredibly lucky catches? It is pure luck at times. Unlike in baseball, etc., where the final determination plays out over the course of a series, and a true champion can assert themselves, in the NFL one bad game and you are done.
In the NFL's playoff format, I just don't think it really proves who is the best all the time. A lot of the time it proves who is the luckiest.
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01-08-2013, 01:00 PM #52
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Re: Joe Flacco Earns 60th Career Win: Most All Time In First Five Years of a QB's Career!
In the SB's Brady only had to get into Viniterri's range to win, and we all know that's not as close as last year Raven's kicker had to be. Joe couldn't rely on the kicker and had really needed to throw a TD to win it, ...oh wait, he did....
I love to goad the local's here, 100% accurate or not; no Viniterri, no SB for the boy Brady.
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Re: Joe Flacco Earns 60th Career Win: Most All Time In First Five Years of a QB's Career!
I disagree. IMO, the whole point of the regular season is to get to the post season.
Step 1A: Win the division and guarantee a playoff spot.
Step 1B: Win enough games to get into the playoffs.
Step 2: Win the conference championship, which guarantees a SB appearance.
Step 3: Win the SB.
Did the 7-9 Seahawks deserve to get into the playoffs a few seasons ago? It is debatable, but they DID win their division (which was a poor one at that).
There is no such thing as "deserve" in the NFL outside of contracts. It is either do or don't. The Giants got into the playoffs and ran the table. Who are we (or anyone) to say that they didn't deserve to go to the SB and win?Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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01-08-2013, 01:37 PM #54
Re: Joe Flacco Earns 60th Career Win: Most All Time In First Five Years of a QB's Career!
Well, thankfully for most of us, the Ravens FO and entire roster places a great deal of value on SBs.
The HoF matters b/c it's the ultimate individual prize; pretty much by design. Now if Joe somehow gets himself on a HoF path and stays there for 7-10 years then I'll be jumping for joy every step of the way. (Hell, I saw him play live twice at Delaware and I wanted him--and Omar Cuff too--drafted here long before folks knew his name had two c's in it.)
This "wins" stat is nice, but it's really a footnote...an ESPN type of "record" that really doesn't mean all that much to me. The Joe fans that I know share my opinion that he's capable of winning an SB, so that's what we expect at this point in the franchise's consecutive PO appearance streak. How many wins it took/takes to get there is irrelevant...and if the end point is not an SB trophy then it's not ultimately successful.
Fun? Yes.
Exciting? Yup.
Cool? Certainly.
Just not ultimately successful in my book.
However, this organization is long beyond the point of looking back on an 10, 11, 12 win season and celebrating that achievement alone (i.e., wins) unless it ends with a banner and an SB trophy. I don't see why that should change just b/c those wins can be tagged to a certain individual...even if I like him.
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01-08-2013, 01:58 PM #55
Re: Joe Flacco Earns 60th Career Win: Most All Time In First Five Years of a QB's Career!
Good FUCKING GRIEF!!! Can you people possibly have a debate without slapping each other around in the process? Folks, this has been grating on me now for weeks. I don't care what side of the Joe Flacco fence you are on. And you can argue that side up and down, just as I have done. But people need to begin backing down the hostilities. Everytime someone disagrees these days, they have to attack each other and it's completely unbecoming of the quality of this forum, which had prided itself on NOT like the "others".
So I am asking please, everyone tone it down and let's debate this civil-like. Please?
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01-08-2013, 02:08 PM #56
Re: Joe Flacco Earns 60th Career Win: Most All Time In First Five Years of a QB's Career!
Now, my take. The thing is that every year since Joe has been here, the Ravens have been in the playoffs. That is why 60 wins is a big deal of an accomplishment. The goal is ALWAYS to win the Super Bowl. But you cannot get to the Super Bowl without going to the playoffs. So every year for the past five, the Ravens have had the opportunity to get to the Super Bowl, which is something that not many teams in this league get to do. In fact, if you remember, only ONE team is different in the entire AFC playoff picture this year. Which means once again, about the same 10 AFC teams are sitting home.
Take it a step farther. Flacco has won a playoff game in every year as well, has never been one-and-done. Twice this team has gotten to the AFCC, and once was Lee Evans away from actually going to the SB.
This is something we couldn't do with any of the other QB's we've had in the team's history. And this is something no other team in the league has been able to do with their QB's first five years.
I want the Ravens to get the ring this year. And I'm always disappointed that they haven't. But at least thanks in part to much needed stability at the QB with a guy that in MY opinion is on that cusp of getting to that level everyone's arguing about, the Ravens have had that chance to get there every year for half a decade now.
And I don't believe it's an accomplishment you easily brush aside.
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01-08-2013, 02:21 PM #57
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Re: Joe Flacco Earns 60th Career Win: Most All Time In First Five Years of a QB's Career!
In today's NFL people want to compare stats. Joe is not Brady or Manning or Rodgers and he never will be IMO. But he does have some strengths that can be tough for defenses to deal with. If he can level out his play a little bit, he'll be considered top 10 by many.
I've accepted that he is what he is, and he's not going anywhere. Get some talent around him and he should continue to improve.
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Re: Joe Flacco Earns 60th Career Win: Most All Time In First Five Years of a QB's Career!
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