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    Re: Amani Toomer bad mouthing Ray.



    The guy is a total a-hole. He's done nothing except bad mouth his own teammates the last few years.




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    Re: Amani Toomer bad mouthing Ray.

    Who? I thought a toomer was something that needed to be removed!
    Superman wears Flacco PJ's to bed!....




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    Re: Amani Toomer bad mouthing Ray.

    Quote Originally Posted by RAYvens Fan View Post
    Who? I thought a toomer was something that needed to be removed!
    Nice, I'm laughing as I type. LOL




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    Re: Amani Toomer bad mouthing Ray.

    I LOVE opinion boards, since I can give my opinion!

    I confess to not listening often (at all?) to sports talk radio, but I try to keep up with you younger types on the who's who of sports literati. So I can only go with the OP's comment that "Toomer says you can't forgive what happened in Atlanta and you have to take that into account when you look at Ray's football career" as fodder for my opinion.

    And before I give my opinion, I googled (under "NEWS") "amani toomer", "amani toomer on ray lewis", and "amani toomer ray lewis". I had to laugh when the first option produced NO results, and the second two offered only one -- this thread! [N.B. if anyone o'you yung'uns can offer a better/more efficient information search thought, I'm all ears!]

    Seems to me that Toomer is a bit off base if he really said that one "can't forgive what happened in Atlanta". Is Toomer without sin such that he can cast the first stone on this one? I've been critical over the years (going back to early 2000's Sunspot days) of Lewis' behavior and actions. I notice that he pled guilty to OOJ, owning up to what I believe is what he really did in terms of participation. I notice that he served probation, AND payed a (for that time) enormous fine. Why cannot I, or anyone, forgive him? He's paid his debt to society. (FTR, I also think Lewis knows more than what he offered to the court/trial, but that's another discussion, and NOT part of his football career.)

    Which segues nicely into my second thought on Toomer's comment that "you have to take that into account when you look at Ray's football career". In a word -- Why? If that is so, there are a lot of big name, star celebrity NFLers who need to update their People Magazine profiles so that "the world" can assess their football careers. You know....guys like:

    --->Ben ("s'cuse me, Toots, I know we're in the bathroom, but you're shoe's untied!)") Roethlisberger;

    --->Payton "Here, honey, I'll do an interview with you in the locker room, let's dangle my doodles in your face" Manning;

    ---->Eugene 'Big Daddy' "Sure, heroin's illegal, I knew that!" Lipscomb (who, BTW, was honored by NFL types such as Dan Rooney, Steelers Vice President Art Rooney, Jr., team scout Bill Nunn, former long-time coach Dick Hoak, long-time Steelers broadcaster Myron Cope, former sports editor of the Pittsburgh Press Roy McHugh, and former team officials Joe Gordon and Ed Kiely;

    and I know there's a lot more, but that is hardly the point.

    Ray Lewis was hardly an angel in his pre-Ravens Super Bowl days. He made some REALLY bad choices in Atlanta. What I've posted before and I'll post again is, the guy has walked the walk in the aftermath, apparently staying essentially trouble-free (subsequent non-substantiated charges by gold-diggers in Woodlawn notwithstanding) and following a much more desirable life path, while playing some magnificent football in that time. So, YEAH, Amani, let's take Ray's Atlanta troubles into account regarding his FOOTBALL CAREER, along with his ensuing (more or less) model societal behavior, along with his contributions to the Ravens team and organization, including the Baltimore and surrounding community, and the overall "good of the game".

    Being the sinner that I am, I can forgive him Atlanta, and I can EASILY account for his football career...
    Last edited by Beau Petard; 01-05-2013 at 09:47 PM.




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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    They interviewed the DA and the DA was very frank about the incident. Ray wasn't talking and was one of the few people who was known to have seen the fight. He was charged to compel his testimony and nothing more. After the trial, The DA was asked is he thought Ray committed the murders and he said bluntly that he did not. Even the victims relatives don't believe Ray killed anyone that night.
    Sorry, but I think that's a bit (OK, a whole lot) of revisionist history on the DA's part. At the time, right after the plea deal, I recall Ray's attorneys saying that they had tried to get the DA to listen to them, but he wouldn't unless Ray confessed. Ray's attorneys kept telling the DA to drop the charges and the DA would have Ray as his star witness, but he wouldn't go for it. It was only after all of his case against Ray feel apart at trial and he was facing losing against the other 2 defendants as well, that he finally went to Ray to make a deal. But, it was too late to save his case.

    Howard was gunning for Ray the whole time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Ray was most certainly not a saint that night. Witnesses do have him fighting and he did, for a while, keep his mouth shut to protect his friends.
    I don't think that is accurate. If I recall correctly, many witnesses that testified (for the defense as well as the prosecution) all said they did not see Lewis fighting anyone. Most said he was by the limo, trying to get everyone in his party back inside. Only 1 witness, a felon with a history of perjury, I believe, testified that Lewis fought anybody.

    Agree that Lewis was no where near a saint that night...he made horrible choices, both in his company that evening and in the frantic hours after the murder (remember, his limo was shot at as it sped away) when he decided to try and cover up for his friends. But none of that makes him a murderer, which is what the DA and mayor claimed before ever questioning him. Also recall, this was less than 3 months after Rae Carruth had his 8-month pregnant girlfriend murdered and there was a strong sentiment to not let high priced athletes get away with serious crimes.

    He was tried and convicted in the court of public opinion way before the actual facts of the case came out in court. I can still remember the incredulous Rick Reilly the night the Ravens won the SB basically calling Lewis a murderer.




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    Re: Amani Toomer bad mouthing Ray.

    Ravor-
    I seem to recall that scenario as well.

    I guess the thing for me is, I feel like recounting Lewis' situation reminds me of watching old episodes of Law & Order, where Jack McCoy does something very similar to what the Atlanta DA did, and viewers tend to applaud his "creativity"!

    As Billy Martin might have said in an old Lite beer commercial, I feel strongly both ways! The Atlanta DA likely knew darn well that Lewis himself actually did NOT do "the crime" of murder", but may have believed that charging him with it was the only way to uncork the lid on what happened. As a rsponsible, concerned citizen, I agree with the DA.

    OTOH, given that the DA knew that Lewis did NOT actually commit the act, many Ravens fans feel that Lewis got the short end of the stick. In a way, I also feel that the DA seemed to be playing political drama to the media for (perhaps) his own gain, not with the well-being of justice and the citizens of Atlanta as the appropriate focus. I tend to also agree with the idea that Lewis was a pawn in this situation.

    So, I think I can see two sides of the situation, but I think Toomer has a lot of balls to allegedly say what the OP said he did.




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    Re: Amani Toomer bad mouthing Ray.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jsmoove View Post
    I wont be politically correct here toomer can go suck a dick
    I literally laughed out loud. Thank you sir..




  9. #39

    Re: Amani Toomer bad mouthing Ray.

    The Atlanta D.A. thought he had his OJ trial.

    Remember how everyone involved in that fiasco CA$HED in on it?




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    Re: Amani Toomer bad mouthing Ray.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Might want to read an old SI where they featured Ray. It was called "Gods Linebacker" I believe.

    They interviewed the DA and the DA was very frank about the incident. Ray wasn't talking and was one of the few people who was known to have seen the fight. He was charged to compel his testimony and nothing more. After the trial, The DA was asked is he thought Ray committed the murders and he said bluntly that he did not. Even the victims relatives don't believe Ray killed anyone that night.

    Ray was most certainly not a saint that night. Witnesses do have him fighting and he did, for a while, keep his mouth shut to protect his friends. He also tossed his clothing in a garbage dumpster on the way back to his hotel. All that said, he was candid about all of it in open court and since then.

    Bringing it back around to the topic of the thread, I don't see why folks feel uncomfortable about that night. Ray talks about it all the time. The problem is the misinformation that's out there. Toomer didn't say anything inaccurate, just that if you're going to talk about Ray's career, a discussion about Atalanta is in order.
    Things like this go unreported or atleast not nationally reported but the initial story, which was wrong, did simply because it was juicier story and made better headlines. Bullshit. I dont know how the public can make them held to a higher accountability. Im sure nobody is posting retractions for half of their inaccuracies and the majority of the public remains uninformed.
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  12. #42

    Re: Amani Toomer bad mouthing Ray.

    Some interesting perspectives here . . . If he did indeed sweep the culprits away, he is at least guilty as an accomplice to murder I do believe. Even if he did not know exactly what happened, ignorance is not a defense against the law. What was he charged with, I cannot even remember - I think it was "obstruction of justice" or something like that? What ever happened to those other guys, I don't remember that either.


    It seems no matter what happened, he has cleaned himself up. I don't think he had much of a choice, but I do think the new side of his new turned over "leaf" is sincere. It will be Ray Lewis Mania in Baltimore, that is for sure!



    Quote Originally Posted by Beau Petard View Post
    Ravor-
    I seem to recall that scenario as well.

    I guess the thing for me is, I feel like recounting Lewis' situation reminds me of watching old episodes of Law & Order, where Jack McCoy does something very similar to what the Atlanta DA did, and viewers tend to applaud his "creativity"!

    As Billy Martin might have said in an old Lite beer commercial, I feel strongly both ways! The Atlanta DA likely knew darn well that Lewis himself actually did NOT do "the crime" of murder", but may have believed that charging him with it was the only way to uncork the lid on what happened. As a rsponsible, concerned citizen, I agree with the DA.

    OTOH, given that the DA knew that Lewis did NOT actually commit the act, many Ravens fans feel that Lewis got the short end of the stick. In a way, I also feel that the DA seemed to be playing political drama to the media for (perhaps) his own gain, not with the well-being of justice and the citizens of Atlanta as the appropriate focus. I tend to also agree with the idea that Lewis was a pawn in this situation.

    So, I think I can see two sides of the situation, but I think Toomer has a lot of balls to allegedly say what the OP said he did.




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