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    Re: Luck Overrated?



    Quote Originally Posted by Knox Harrington View Post
    yeah, but how many deep bombs are thrown a game to where it alters you're completion % to below 50%?
    FWIW, he's below 60% for all distances, and right around 50% in the 20+ yardage range:

    http://www.nfl.com/player/andrewluck...tuationalstats




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    Quote Originally Posted by LouisianaRaven View Post
    The Colts are 11-5, there has to be some talent on that team. Reggie Wayne is still a top 10 receiver and Fleener has as much talent as any TE out there. Is Torrey that much different than Hilton? No one's saying they're the most talented but they have some players too. If you're gonna give Luck all of this credit then you have to get RG3 just as much. The skins were terrible last year too. Their defense isn't great and Garçon missed half the year with injuries and Orakpo got hurt early in the year.

    No, I'm sorry, I don't follow that at all. Reggie Wayne MAY still be top 20, maybe. Hilton is a cross between Torrey and Yamon Figurs. Fleener is worse then Pitta, at least to this point, and they had literally no one that could run the ball at all. Their D is Freeney, Mathis and a bunch of our castoff and some PS level players.

    Washington was FAR more well equipped to win now. They went all out at WR, including Garcon, and also struch gold with Alfred Morris. They have the number 1 rushing offense and a pretty killer Oline. THeir D may not be top flight, but they are satisfactoruy.


    I think, literally every single position group besides QB favors WAS, and yet Indy had a better record then WAS and heck, even BAL.




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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    No, I'm sorry, I don't follow that at all. Reggie Wayne MAY still be top 20, maybe. Hilton is a cross between Torrey and Yamon Figurs. Fleener is worse then Pitta, at least to this point, and they had literally no one that could run the ball at all. Their D is Freeney, Mathis and a bunch of our castoff and some PS level players.

    Washington was FAR more well equipped to win now. They went all out at WR, including Garcon, and also struch gold with Alfred Morris. They have the number 1 rushing offense and a pretty killer Oline. THeir D may not be top flight, but they are satisfactoruy.


    I think, literally every single position group besides QB favors WAS, and yet Indy had a better record then WAS and heck, even BAL.
    Reggie Wayne isn't top 20. He's top 10, maybe top 5. He was one of the best receivers in all of football this year, full stop. I believe Pro Football Focus ranked him as the 2nd or 3rd best WR for 2012. You're also underrating some of their other guys. The Colts 2012 draft class has been one of the best of any team, any year, in recent memory.

    Indianapolis' better record is more a function of their easy schedule and luck (not capital L Luck) than anything else.

    And regarding the OP... Luck sure has some gaudy stats, doesn't he? I mean, he threw for 4,374 yards! Wowwww! He must be grrrreat!

    Want to know how he did it? He threw 627 passes. 5th most in the NFL this year, 14th most of all time. That's 7.0 YPA, 16th (dead average) in the NFL. He only threw a TD on 3.7% of his passes (21st in the NFL) but threw an INT on 2.9% (22nd in the NFL). With his terrible 54.1 completion percentage, that translates to a 76.5 QB rating. Lower than Blaine Gabbert, Nick Foles, Christian Ponder, and Ryan Fitzpatrick (oh, and over 10 points lower than Joe Flacco's.) It's also worse than Flacco's 80.3 rookie year QBR.

    I don't mean to minimize Luck, he certainly looks like he's a keeper in the league and he's played well in the clutch, but overall he's been about a league average QB who has a lot of yards because he was asked to throw the ball a ton. That's impressive for a rookie, but calling him top 5, top 10, or whatever (like the media often has) is dramatically overrating him.




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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    again, I disagree. I think it's far more impressive what Luck did with so little, compared to what RGIII did with what is a VERY good team. Sure, RGIII diddn't throw many picks, because he wasn't often in a position where the team NEEDED him to throw it all game long....

    Look at Peyton's rookie year stas with a similar trash Indy team... very similar, except for the wins.

    RGIII had the better year, but IMO there is very little doubt Luck will have the better, longer career.
    With all the injuries the Skins had - how the heck can you consider the skins a very good team?? I think RGIII meant as much to them as Luck did to the Colts. JMO...




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    Indy played in a way weaker division too. Didn't Washington pick 4th initially? RG3 is a HUGE part of their run game and that offensive line was considered a weakness last year. The skins defense is just as bad as the Colts defense also. Everyone says RG3 is only asked to do half of what Luck is so isn't that a compliment to RG3? Can you imagine how good he'll be when he's operating the entire system? Funny how Shanahan is considered a good coach again now that he has RG3. They were ready to run him out of DC last year. I find it hard to believe RG3 put up the numbers he did operating only a few plays.
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    Re: Luck Overrated?

    I don't think he's overrated. He's thrown for more yards and has a higher QBR than Flacco.




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    He is good when it counts. That is something many QB's never achieve. If he continues, next year the guy will be even better. I think he is better that RG III.




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    Re: Luck Overrated?

    I'm sorry but if Luck is overrated according to this board, then Flacco must be too.




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    Re: Luck Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I'm sorry but if Luck is overrated according to this board, then Flacco must be too.
    Um, no, because Flacco gets trashed too much to be "overrated."




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    It would suck to lose and look back on this thread on Monday. Luck is asked to do a lot.... I think this kid is amazing.




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    If you consider overrated because people overlook his flaws id agree but Luck is everything theyre saying he is otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    I don't think he's overrated. He's thrown for more yards and has a higher QBR than Flacco.
    ESPN's QBR is bullshit.

    They won't admit it, but there are some serious flaws in how they derive QBR.
    Or how do you explain how sometimes QBs who clearly played worse than others have higher QBRs? And not just marginally higher, but substantially higher. The old QB rating isn't perfect either but it's more trustworthy.

    Flacco threw for less yards because he was taken out of games when the Ravens had large leads (Bengals, Raiders, Giants) and he didn't play the last game for more than 2 series. Otherwise his yardage would've about even.




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    Re: Luck Overrated?

    Luck has done very well as a rookie QB. I don't think you can truly judge a QB until they have 3 seasons under their belt. 2 years ago Josh Freeman was on his way to being a top 5 QB.




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    Quote Originally Posted by somedumbguy View Post
    Luck has done very well as a rookie QB. I don't think you can truly judge a QB until they have 3 seasons under their belt. 2 years ago Josh Freeman was on his way to being a top 5 QB.
    This.

    Many MANY were clamoring about how great Josh Freeman was after such a solid rookie year. Now there are rumors floating around that Schiano is considering going in a different direction than Freeman.

    That said, Luck has done really well for a rookie and adapted to Bruce Arian's offense well [which pisses me off because Baltimore had an opportunity to nab Arians and they didnt...but anyway]&hellip;

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    Re: Luck Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74 View Post
    ESPN's QBR is bullshit.

    They won't admit it, but there are some serious flaws in how they derive QBR.
    Or how do you explain how sometimes QBs who clearly played worse than others have higher QBRs? And not just marginally higher, but substantially higher. The old QB rating isn't perfect either but it's more trustworthy.

    Flacco threw for less yards because he was taken out of games when the Ravens had large leads (Bengals, Raiders, Giants) and he didn't play the last game for more than 2 series. Otherwise his yardage would've about even.
    Another part of that...Colts had more comebacks than we did. Which is to say, they were behind and you tend to throw mainly when you are behind at the end of a game. The Ravens MO tends to be if we have a lead, try to grind it out on the ground game and keep Flacco's passes short and safe.
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