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01-06-2013, 07:45 PM #73Legendary RSR Poster
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They showed the replay ad naseum in the stadium.
50 was on top of it and Yanda came in. Once Yanda touched him, it was Colts ball.
Can someone post a clip? They must have shown that replay four times and there was little doubt amongst the fans.
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01-06-2013, 07:47 PM #74iggyman555 Guest
Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game
yanda wasnt even close when #50 jumped on it
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201301...ghts&tab=recap
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01-06-2013, 07:52 PM #76
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01-06-2013, 08:09 PM #77
Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game
Don't worry, two authors on that site expect him to officiate an even more important game (one thinks divisional round, other thinks conference championship):
http://www.footballzebras.com/2013/01/02/6119/
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01-06-2013, 08:12 PM #78
Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game
BTW, here is the defenseless receiver rule:
http://nflcommunications.com/2011/12...seless-player/
And the reason this call, like some of the others is bad is this:
(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and
(2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.
Note: The provisions of (2) do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a conventional tackle on an opponent.
This penalty was a judgment call by the official, and the wrong one.
I will add only this. I think next year, whoever is coaching defense needs to stress player wrapping their arms around the player instead of just shouldering them. That way the provision of a "conventional" tackle negates all this bullshit.
But Pollard's hit was clean, legal, and should not have been called.
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Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game
"What would you give for the man beside you?"
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01-06-2013, 08:37 PM #80
Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game
The "conventional tackle" exception only applies to rule 2, not rule 1.
So, even if Pollard had wrapped his arms around the guy, they could still flag him as he "broke" rule 1, not rule 2.**
**technically, as he didn't forcibly hit the WR's head, he shouldn't have been flagged whether he wraps him up or not, because he didn't break rule 1 either, as Stinger pointed out
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01-06-2013, 08:50 PM #81
Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game
The reason why Carey was awful today is because he wanted the Colts to cover the spread.
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01-06-2013, 09:10 PM #82Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game
Here is the only clip I could find of the non-recovery, as well as one writer's opinion.http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...2415--nfl.html
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Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game
some pretty questionable calls today; glad it didn't come back to haunt us
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Re: Mike Carey (w Hochuili Bonus) to Ref Our Game
What the hell?
If there is a full collision, it is a forcible hit to the head. With the violence of that collision any part of his upper body hitting Wayne is going to be forcible.
You are arguing intention.
Intention doesn't matter.
When he launched into Wayne, his helmet hit Wayne's.
He will in all likelyhood be fined and even Pollard knows it and said so to a reporter.
Why do you constantly hear defensive players complaining about offensive guys lowering their heads when getting fined?
It's because the league made that rule so that none of that other "intent" or "mistake" stuff is taken into account and they completely remove the "judgemental" stuff out of the officials hands.
No defenseless receiver personal foul is a judgement call. Either the ref sees contact to the head or he doesn't. The only way the ref would have been wrong in this case is if no part of Pollard's body hit Wayne in the head.Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.
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