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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    It will come down to Paul Kruger or Dannell Elerbee, and I think we're better off with Ellerbe, he has been that good whenever he's been on the field this year.

    A full offseason staying injury free and living up to his contract could make Ellerbe one of the top ILB's in the game, not even joking.
    as much of a fan of ellerbe i am, im not so sure were better off with an ILB (low value) with an injury history, than a 8-10 sack passrusher (high value), thats been getting better and better. Its a really hard decision to make there. They wont earn anything near the same on the market. If youre taking into account which one more likely played their way out of our price range, id agree its likely Kruger. Ideally we try to keep both and cut fat elsewhere (McClain), but even that isnt easy with our lack of depth.

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    Coming from a guy who would have cut bait with him this past offseason. He's been a great player this year. I just hope it's not the looming contract has out that fire in his belly
    I still think if it werent for injuries last year (11 weeks on Injury Report), youd have seen this same Ellerbe then. Coaches pointed out he was making the strides needed, and played well in the little time he was healthy, iirc. The problem with ellerbe at this point, if you accept hes past his "doghouse days", is health and that does seem to be an issue for him the past two years.
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    I don't think the market is there for Ellerbe.

    Last year, perhaps due to circumstance, solid young IlB'ers were plentiful and cheap. Players like David Hawethorne, Stephen Tulloch, Curtis Lofton, and McLain all sat around and had some visits, but it was not a market in demand.

    Kruger and Williams however, will get multiple offers onthe first day of FA in my opionion.


    Because of that, I think Ellerbe can be retained reasonably. THe other two, IMO cannot.




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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I don't think the market is there for Ellerbe.

    Last year, perhaps due to circumstance, solid young IlB'ers were plentiful and cheap. Players like David Hawethorne, Stephen Tulloch, Curtis Lofton, and McLain all sat around and had some visits, but it was not a market in demand.

    Kruger and Williams however, will get multiple offers onthe first day of FA in my opionion.


    Because of that, I think Ellerbe can be retained reasonably. THe other two, IMO cannot.
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    Most guys say they want to stay a Raven...

    It's all about the money they want. I'm sure Bart Scott wanted to remain a Raven...to the tune of a buttload of money, which we wanted to pay Ray instead.

    Good to know, but I wouldn't expect any hometown discount.
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    Re: Ellerbe

    I do agree that Kruger is a much higher priority than Ellerbe. If we have to pay to keep him at the expense of keeping Ellerbe, so be it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    I do agree that Kruger is a much higher priority than Ellerbe. If we have to pay to keep him at the expense of keeping Ellerbe, so be it.
    well the real question is whether Ellerbe+FA > Kruger and Filler at the other positions.

    Cary may actually have played himself into the highest commodity out of our FAs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    REALLY wish we had made a play for Hawthorne.
    He hasn't been great this year. He's just another Jameel McClain.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    well the real question is whether Ellerbe+FA > Kruger and Filler at the other positions.

    Cary may actually have played himself into the highest commodity out of our FAs.
    Cary is going to get $7 million+ this year and that puts him out of reach for us IMO. We have plenty of talent at CB with Webb, Smith, Chykie, and Graham. Who knows what Asa Jackson will bring. Webb, when healthy, is an unquestioned #1 type CB and Jimmy Smith can be a solid #2 if he can stay healthy. Graham has showed us that he is a capable, sure tackling nickleback and Chykie has been a pleasant surprise seeing such a large % of the snaps here in the last 4-5 weeks. I'd expect us to go after a CB in the 3-5 round range (Mathieu perhaps?) and bring in one veteran late in free agency. That gives us solid starters, solid depth, and 7 guys on the roster at the position...and I'm content enough with that rotation to making Williams' leaving less painful.




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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    I do agree that Kruger is a much higher priority than Ellerbe. If we have to pay to keep him at the expense of keeping Ellerbe, so be it.
    I don't see that. It's OBVIOUS that the future is in Suggs on one side and Upshaw on the other. Kruger has proved he's not a every down OLB. He is another Barnes. period a obvious pass situation rush the passer, and sometimes he gets there.

    ILB is much much different. McClain is nothing special. It's obvious we're gonna have to invest a high draft pick into the position. Ellerbe is needed to stick alongside whatever rookie we draft. McClain is there for depth along with Bynes and McClellan(although McClellan has shown he can provide depth at OLB also).

    Sorry I just don't see the money vs value there. We can go draft a 4th or 5th rounder that can do what Kruger does. Thats a few hundred grand vs a couple mill.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    I don't see that. It's OBVIOUS that the future is in Suggs on one side and Upshaw on the other. Kruger has proved he's not a every down OLB. He is another Barnes. period a obvious pass situation rush the passer, and sometimes he gets there.

    ILB is much much different. McClain is nothing special. It's obvious we're gonna have to invest a high draft pick into the position. Ellerbe is needed to stick alongside whatever rookie we draft. McClain is there for depth along with Bynes and McClellan(although McClellan has shown he can provide depth at OLB also).

    Sorry I just don't see the money vs value there. We can go draft a 4th or 5th rounder that can do what Kruger does. Thats a few hundred grand vs a couple mill.
    A couple MIl? Kruger is going to get at least 6-7 mil a year, on a 4-5 year deal... like Cary he priced himself off the Ravens. I don't see how he's close to the priority Ellerbe is ether, as Ellerbe would certainly be penciled in to start, and Kruger would certainly NOT be.




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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    A couple MIl? Kruger is going to get at least 6-7 mil a year, on a 4-5 year deal... like Cary he priced himself off the Ravens. I don't see how he's close to the priority Ellerbe is ether, as Ellerbe would certainly be penciled in to start, and Kruger would certainly NOT be.
    Th point was made. Arguing schematics doesn't really matter,lol.




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    Middle Lb's are not getting big money anymore, low paying position. Market for Ellerbe wont be high off ONE decent year, not all pro or anything.




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    Hope we keep Ellerbe.
    Hope he doesn't cost too much.
    Hope he doesn't get lazy or hurt, making us regret it.




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    I think Cary will most likely get a big deal that he's not worth. I truly believe Graham has made him expendable and it has proven to be a great pickup. Cary can't hang with physical #1's outside and gets beat to spots frequently. He'll have some good moments, but he's way too inconsistent for that type of money and to be labeled a #1 CB.

    I'd love to retain Kruger. No, he's not really an every down LB, but his pass rushing skills are increasing, he's getting better. He'll most likely get a deal we just can't match. In the end, it may be worth it since, like some of you have said, he is pretty must just a situational guy, but who else do we have besides Suggs that can provide any sort of pass rush? Who knows if Suggs will be the same, personally I do, but you never know. I like Courtney a lot and by next year he'll be a superior edge setter, but is he a guy that can improve and notch 6-8 sacks? He logged 1.5 this season. Something to keep the pressure off of Suggs and even Ngata. I think it's going to be interesting to see what the plan is if Kruger isn't retained. Perhaps they try to get a bargain for a vet or draft someone around round 3 or 4. We also have intriguing guys like McAdoo and Hamilton. Maybe we see the D truly transition to a 4-3 as well.

    So, ultimately, although I do like Kruger's potential, I think it'd be wiser to invest in Ellerbe. For one, I think he has the ability to be a pretty special player at ILB. He has come into his own this season. I know about his injuries and him being in the doghouse before, but I'd take the risk and give him a solid 4 year contract. I don't expect the market for him to be huge. We did see some good ILB's last year go for awhile without much mention during FA. If it's a reasonable deal, and we can cut bait with some of the vets, it would allow us to most likely make another solid signing in FA. The FA would most likely be for the defensive side of the ball at either DL, OLB, or S. McClain really shouldn't have gotten that deal last year, he's just not that good as a starter. If we have to keep him, at least it's depth and he has shown that he's a quality leader. Another player I really like is Josh Bynes, even if just for depth, he's playing pretty impressively.




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