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    Re: The Ravens can restructure salaries to make room



    Quote Originally Posted by chicagoravensfan View Post
    The really fascinating issue, and the elephant in the room, is what happens to 52. All objective evidence and logic would lead to him getting cut but how do you cut the guy who's been the heart and soul of the franchise since day 1?
    You gave the answer in the first part of what you said.

    Click the ruby slippers together and say 3 times Heeeeep Heeeeep Heeeeeeep
    And 52 leaves Oz and ends up in Kansas. It is business, sad....ugly...unpleasant....

    I can't see him playing for the vet minimum plus incentives, but I can see Oz making team decisions... same basis you have for saying you see Boldin cut (as I also see)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rxdoxx View Post
    You gave the answer in the first part of what you said.

    Click the ruby slippers together and say 3 times Heeeeep Heeeeep Heeeeeeep
    And 52 leaves Oz and ends up in Kansas. It is business, sad....ugly...unpleasant....

    I can't see him playing for the vet minimum plus incentives, but I can see Oz making team decisions... same basis you have for saying you see Boldin cut (as I also see)
    Heap and 52 are nowhere near same situation. Heap was a beloved figure in Baltimore, but barely HALF the presence Ray Lewis is. This type of move is akin to the Orioles releasing Cal Ripken had he not decided to retire in 2001. Can you imagine the BACKLASH the Orioles would get for letting Cal Ripken play for another baseball team?

    I hate to say this, because it could be a huge jinx, but...I think all of us are just hoping that Ray decides he's done after this year and kind've gives us the easy out from this whole situation. The "thinking with your head" move says to cut Ray and move on. The "thinking with your heart" move says to find ANY way to keep him on the Ravens. Neither are right or wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    Heap and 52 are nowhere near same situation. Heap was a beloved figure in Baltimore, but barely HALF the presence Ray Lewis is. This type of move is akin to the Orioles releasing Cal Ripken had he not decided to retire in 2001. Can you imagine the BACKLASH the Orioles would get for letting Cal Ripken play for another baseball team?

    I hate to say this, because it could be a huge jinx, but...I think all of us are just hoping that Ray decides he's done after this year and kind've gives us the easy out from this whole situation. The "thinking with your head" move says to cut Ray and move on. The "thinking with your heart" move says to find ANY way to keep him on the Ravens. Neither are right or wrong.
    The Ravens shouldn't and I hope don't care about a backlash. And the Orioles never had any cap to deal with the Cal situation. I'm sure if Bisciotti could pay him what he wanted without a cap, Ray could be a member of this team forever.

    They have to do what is best for the team. Period. And having a 38 year old Ray Lewis back with a $6-7+ million cap number (and having him out there on all 3 downs) is not what's best for the team anymore.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: The Ravens can restructure salaries to make room

    If Manning can be released, anyone can be released.




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    One can only hope we're releasing Ray Lewis because we have our replacement at MLB.

    How dumb would the Colts look this year if Luck had absolutely TANKED. Meanwhile, Manning is pushing the Broncos to a first round bye, possibly even home field advantage!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenalytics View Post
    If Manning can be released, anyone can be released.
    Manning was going to cost the Colts $35 Million against the cap.

    Apples to apples analogies don't apply.
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    Re: The Ravens can restructure salaries to make room

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    One can only hope we're releasing Ray Lewis because we have our replacement at MLB.

    How dumb would the Colts look this year if Luck had absolutely TANKED. Meanwhile, Manning is pushing the Broncos to a first round bye, possibly even home field advantage!
    I don't think they are comparable.

    Manning was coming off a career threatening injury that forced him to miss an entire season and had people wondering if he would ever be the same physically. He was still playing at an elite too when he was healthy, but it was fair IMHO for them to move on considering the questions.

    I don't want to turn this into a bash Ray post/thread, but he has been in a pretty significant decline for years now and frankly, I don't think his impact if he left...even with the guys we have now would be very big. At this point, he is great for getting other guys in position and is still sharp as a tack mentally, but he is a fish out of water in space now and even is missing tackles now that were easy for him before.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: The Ravens can restructure salaries to make room

    Manning's release was as much about the once-every-decade designation of Luck as it was about the salary cap hit and Maning's injury status. If that year's QB crop looked like 2013's or 2011's, etc, then I think there is a significant chance the Colts would have worked something out with Manning. But after they got the #1 pick in a draft that included Luck, they couldn't pass up taking the QB. There was a greater risk of reputation (for Irsay) in passing on Luck who then turns out to be one of the best ever than there was in taking Luck who thens becomes a bust. The latter, while obviously possible, would not be 'blamed' on Irsay like the former would be, because of the universal opinion of Luck coming out of college.




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