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    The Ravens can restructure salaries to make room



    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...eate-cap-room/

    The Bucs did it. Why can't the Ravens? Everyone on here seems hellbent that paying Flacco is going to kill the cap. Well, the Bucs just cleared off nearly $20 mill against next year's cap by restructuring VJax's deal and Carl Nicks' deal...and they JUST signed those deals a year ago.

    I'm not saying that the Bucs and the Ravens are in the same boat, they're not, but this just goes to show you that there are ways to move money around so as not to kill the cap next year and still remain competitive in 2013 and in the future.

    Ngata, Rice, Suggs, Boldin, Jacoby, Webb, and even McClain could all have their current deals restructured in some way (Ravor may have more insight into this) to make cap room.
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    Re: The Ravens can restructure salaries to make room

    I'm not buying the "bucs did it why can't the ravens do it" arguement. One of the reason why the ravens have put a good product on the field for the last 5 years is their ability to manage their cap without doing a lot of heavy duty restructuring like the Bucs just did.




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    Re: The Ravens can restructure salaries to make room

    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    I'm not buying the "bucs did it why can't the ravens do it" arguement. One of the reason why the ravens have put a good product on the field for the last 5 years is their ability to manage their cap without doing a lot of heavy duty restructuring like the Bucs just did.
    I'm not arguing that the Ravens should model themselves after teams like Bucs.

    What I am saying is that this is a good example of a team addressing potential cap issues heading into free agency, so if the Ravens DID feel that re-signing Flacco to a big contract would prohibit them from exploring upgrades via free agency, then there are currently guys on this roster with big contracts that could be restructured. I don't know all the ins and outs of the cap, which is why I said Ravor might be able to add more to this, BUT what I do know is that every year multiple teams (successful and unsuccessful) find ways to improve their rosters and fall under the cap.
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    Re: The Ravens can restructure salaries to make room

    The Ravens have a lot of prudent personnel/contract moves they could consider this offseason.

    I think re-structures for Ngata, Webb, and Yanda are definite possibilities. They'd free up a good chunk of money on those deals.

    There are also several guys for whom extensions make a lot of sense. Boldin and Jacoby both have untenable cap numbers next year and I think we'll lose at least one of them. If we want to retain either of them, extensions would lower their 2013 cap numbers substantially.

    As much as we might not like it, an extension for Michael Oher is also a strong possibility. I have a sinking suspicion that the Ravens believe he is the LT of the future, and I don't like that thought very much, but if they want him around now's a good year to buy low and extend him. He's been durable, he's shown some flashes, and he has versatility. I don't necessarily love him as our LT but I do love him as one of our 5 linemen of the future.

    All told, just making 3 or 4 of the moves I've mentioned would free up north of 15 million, easily clearing the books for Flacco's franchise tag if necessary. Locking him up on a long-term deal would probably leave 10 million or so on the books--enough to lock up Ellerbe and perhaps 2 more players, depending on the contracts.




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    Re: The Ravens can restructure salaries to make room

    the ravens will make the hard choices like they have in the past ie. heap, mason, etc. they won't sell the future for the present. that's a redskin strategy.

    boldin will be a tough call. he's got the ravens mentality but he is expensive and slow.




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    Re: The Ravens can restructure salaries to make room

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    As much as we might not like it, an extension for Michael Oher is also a strong possibility. I have a sinking suspicion that the Ravens believe he is the LT of the future, and I don't like that thought very much, but if they want him around now's a good year to buy low and extend him. He's been durable, he's shown some flashes, and he has versatility. I don't necessarily love him as our LT but I do love him as one of our 5 linemen of the future.
    Agreed. It isn't optimal, but they could get Oher for a song right now.


    Quote Originally Posted by Section 502 Raven View Post
    the ravens will make the hard choices like they have in the past ie. heap, mason, etc. they won't sell the future for the present. that's a redskin strategy.

    boldin will be a tough call. he's got the ravens mentality but he is expensive and slow.
    I would tend to agree with this except if you look at some of the dead money hits that will happen with cutting certain players, it makes it a bit less palatable.
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    Re: The Ravens can restructure salaries to make room

    Boldin and Jacoby are in the last year of their contracts so it would have to be a contract extension or an outright paycut.

    Rice and Webb both have low base salaries so there's really nothing to gain there.

    McClain should be cut, not restructured.

    We need to get out of the Ngata contract, not deeper into it.

    Suggs we can save around 2.7m on in 2013 but it increases his 2014 cap number to 15.75m




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    Re: The Ravens can restructure salaries to make room

    Quote Originally Posted by Reedpixuoff View Post
    Boldin and Jacoby are in the last year of their contracts so it would have to be a contract extension or an outright paycut.

    Rice and Webb both have low base salaries so there's really nothing to gain there.

    McClain should be cut, not restructured.

    We need to get out of the Ngata contract, not deeper into it.

    Suggs we can save around 2.7m on in 2013 but it increases his 2014 cap number to 15.75m

    Dont quote me on this, but I believe that there are ways to push money into bonuses, etc and that (or a portion of that) can be discounted from the player's overall cap hit.

    Regarding cutting McClain - I think they'd have to eat something like 3 mill in dead money if they did that. Might not be worth it.
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    Re: The Ravens can restructure salaries to make room

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Dont quote me on this, but I believe that there are ways to push money into bonuses, etc and that (or a portion of that) can be discounted from the player's overall cap hit.
    You can turn base salary into a bonus, the benefit of which is that the bonus can be spread out over 5 years or the length of the deal whichever is less. But as has been said, the amount of money pushed into the future is dependent on the amount of base salary in the year. Jackson's base salary for 2013 was scheduled to be $13M. Rice's base for 2013 is scheduled to be only $1M (plus a $7M option bonus that is already going to be prorated and cannot be restructured to create any room). I think Ngata's base salary is like $4M only in 2013. Looks like Suggs' base for 2013 is $6.4M.

    We should just wait for BMore Ravor to explain the details, but I am fairly sure we don't have as much low-hanging fruit in terms of freeing up present cap space through restructuring like the Bucs did with Jackson (i.e. huge base salaries that can be coverted into bonuses), and that is assuming we would want to harm the future for the present by using such moves which is debatable.




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    Re: The Ravens can restructure salaries to make room

    Quote Originally Posted by Reedpixuoff View Post
    Boldin and Jacoby are in the last year of their contracts so it would have to be a contract extension or an outright paycut.

    Rice and Webb both have low base salaries so there's really nothing to gain there.

    McClain should be cut, not restructured.

    We need to get out of the Ngata contract, not deeper into it.

    Suggs we can save around 2.7m on in 2013 but it increases his 2014 cap number to 15.75m
    Couldn't possibly disagree much more on Ngata. He was playing DPOY level football to start each of the last 2 seasons, and only slowed due to nagging injuries he CHOSE to play through,. I'm all for getting deeper into his deal.

    Vonta Leach is another good option for an extension to lower the cap. Jacoby Jones fits that to a T as well.




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    Re: The Ravens can restructure salaries to make room

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    Couldn't possibly disagree much more on Ngata. He was playing DPOY level football to start each of the last 2 seasons, and only slowed due to nagging injuries he CHOSE to play through,. I'm all for getting deeper into his deal.

    Vonta Leach is another good option for an extension to lower the cap. Jacoby Jones fits that to a T as well.
    Completely agree. Jacoby and Vonte are two prime examples of guys who we can re-sign longer term and reduce the cap number via bonuses.




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    Re: The Ravens can restructure salaries to make room

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...eate-cap-room/

    The Bucs did it. Why can't the Ravens? Everyone on here seems hellbent that paying Flacco is going to kill the cap. Well, the Bucs just cleared off nearly $20 mill against next year's cap by restructuring VJax's deal and Carl Nicks' deal...and they JUST signed those deals a year ago.

    I'm not saying that the Bucs and the Ravens are in the same boat, they're not, but this just goes to show you that there are ways to move money around so as not to kill the cap next year and still remain competitive in 2013 and in the future.

    Ngata, Rice, Suggs, Boldin, Jacoby, Webb, and even McClain could all have their current deals restructured in some way (Ravor may have more insight into this) to make cap room.
    Bucs were able to do it now because they still had a huge amount of money under the cap for 2012. You have to have the room under the current cap year to do this. The Raven's do not.




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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I think that the confusion is that people want to extend Jones(which is NOT a simple restructure as you point out) while they don't find it to be a prudent move to give Anquan 3 or 4 more years. Your plan for Q is valid, and I wouldn't put it past the FO to do somethign similar.


    Jones and Leach(te forgotten man in this discussion) BOTH need extensions. Both fit into this team very well and deserve at least 3 or34 more years, which should lower each of their cap numbers. I wouldn't mind simple restructures for Ngata and Suggs, as wel as a paycut for Jameel. Alll of this might make keeping Q around at a lower number feasible.
    You are right, I said restructure for Jacoby when I meant extension.

    I'd be very OK with a wholesale youth movement. Despite how great they've been, move on from Lewis, Reed, Boldin and Birk. It's going to happen eventually so rip the band aid off rather than holding on too long.

    For better or worse the identity of the team has to be Suggs, Ngata, Rice and *gulp* Flacco.

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    Jones can be an extension candidate, no way you let him go. He is WAY to valuable and should have more 2TD's (officiating); he is a legit #2 man and we have been wanting a decent return man for years now.

    Boldin at 6 Million is cap releif, will likely be a cap cut. He can only get open in zone coverage and not man to man. He can only play in the slot these days in press coverage. His targets to completion ration is pretty bad for the patterns he runs. You can cut him and try to resign him. I think Doss will do BETTER than Boldin given reps, he's faster with better hands and it will be his 3rd year. If you go to the games and watch Boldin he really cant create separation much at all. Extending him makes no sense.

    They need Boldins 6 million, Lewis's 5.4 Million and of course Birks and Bobbie Williams $ to resign Cary Williams and Kruger. Plus, remember the Ravens have a whopping 11 draft picks this draft, so that gives them plenty of options. Given they give Joe a longterm deal (more cap freindly) the Ravens with good health should be better next season than this one.

    I doubt teams will be lining up to sign Boldin or Lewis, but could see some team giving Ed Reed a decent 2 year deal even at his age.




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    Re: The Ravens can restructure salaries to make room

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Jones can be an extension candidate, no way you let him go. He is WAY to valuable and should have more 2TD's (officiating); he is a legit #2 man and we have been wanting a decent return man for years now.

    Boldin at 6 Million is cap releif, will likely be a cap cut. He can only get open in zone coverage and not man to man. He can only play in the slot these days in press coverage. His targets to completion ration is pretty bad for the patterns he runs. You can cut him and try to resign him. I think Doss will do BETTER than Boldin given reps, he's faster with better hands and it will be his 3rd year. If you go to the games and watch Boldin he really cant create separation much at all. Extending him makes no sense.

    They need Boldins 6 million, Lewis's 5.4 Million and of course Birks and Bobbie Williams $ to resign Cary Williams and Kruger. Plus, remember the Ravens have a whopping 11 draft picks this draft, so that gives them plenty of options. Given they give Joe a longterm deal (more cap freindly) the Ravens with good health should be better next season than this one.

    I doubt teams will be lining up to sign Boldin or Lewis, but could see some team giving Ed Reed a decent 2 year deal even at his age.
    I like your optimism, but I don't see Cary Williams back next year. He's played decently for us this year, but he is not worth the $6-8 million/year he will get in free agency. Hometown discount doesn't seem like an option with him either. Right now, assuming Webb is healthy and Jimmy can ever get healthy, we have four CBs under contract next year who are all capable guys. Brown, Graham, and Smith are all good contract values and we still have to see what Asa Jackson can do.

    I think the more likely option is we draft a CB with one of our 11 picks, sign a veteran CB for depth in the $1-2 million range...and run with those two guys in combination with the five I mentioned above.


    I think Kruger and Ellerbe are more realistic re-signing targets.




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