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    Re: New Post: Ripping Goodell for fining Ed Reed



    ...and it's all about "player safety".......and those players are Franklin, Grant, Jackson, Hamilton, Lincoln, Jefferson and Washington.

    (thanks, Lob)
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    Re: New Post: Ripping Goodell for fining Ed Reed

    I've got an idea. How about the players propose what they think will not hurt the game but will eliminate the penalties and also make them safer. Just an idea, that probably makes too much sense to happen.
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    Re: New Post: Ripping Goodell for fining Ed Reed

    Quote Originally Posted by jaydee414 View Post
    ...and it's all about "player safety".......and those players are Franklin, Grant, Jackson, Hamilton, Lincoln, Jefferson and Washington.
    Fixed that for ya.

    And to flesh out the roster: McKinley, Cleveland, Madison, Chase & Wilson--still legal tender though discontinued 34 years ago.




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    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    Oh, the poor, poor, poor owners!

    FYI the whole point of the majority of suits is that the sport until recently has not been "advertised" as "dangerous"--the case can be (& is being) made that for years the league covered up &/or minimized the danger from head trauma caused by the violence of the game--risks of which it was well aware. The situation is analogous to cigarette companies' attempts to cover up or obfuscate the risks from smoking that their own research discovered.
    This is ridiculus. In 1978, Darryl Stingley was paralyzed by a hit in a preseason game. In 1985, Joe Theisman had his leg broken in one of the most gruesome fashions seen. In 1991, Mike Utley was paralyzed by making a tackle. I remember watching pregame shows in the '70's and early '80's discussing how many retired players had trouble getting out of bed in the morning and that the life-expectancy on an NFL player was about 10-15 years less than normal. Anyone who claims that they didn't know this sport was dangerous has no business in a court room. They don't have the basic intelligence to make any kind of argument.




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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Or the players can stop these nonsensical law suits about a sport they knew was every bit as dangerous as advertised?

    That way the league would not be forced into this corner and responding the way they have been.
    If it was your brain that was scrambled would it still be nonsense?




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    Quote Originally Posted by mmi16 View Post
    If it was your brain that was scrambled would it still be nonsense?
    See steelerhaters response.
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    Re: New Post: Ripping Goodell for fining Ed Reed

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi16 View Post
    If it was your brain that was scrambled would it still be nonsense?
    Yup, it'd still be nonsense because his brain would be scrambled. Seriously, every last one of these guys playing today and days gone by have always known football is a dangerous sport. People are acting like it was some hush hush deal that the NFL continuously scurried about to keep under wraps. Uh, no. You're told from pee wee football on how dangerous the sport is and how care must be taken both in your personal physical training and your gameplay training to help attempt to avoid 'serious' injury. Serious because you're also told that you're not going to avoid all injury, just if you're lucky you don't face a serious one. Please. NFL retirees who are trying to claim they were in the dark about the dangers of playing a sport like football really are brain scrambled or they are lying to try and get money. I'm betting on the latter.




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    Re: New Post: Ripping Goodell for fining Ed Reed

    Quote Originally Posted by rlh445 View Post
    NFL retirees who are trying to claim they were in the dark about the dangers of playing a sport like football really are brain scrambled or they are lying to try and get money. I'm betting on the latter.
    Very true. You don't get to the level of professional football without knowing the inherent risks of the game. It would be like a firefighter suing because he didn't know he could get burned in a fire...it's the nature of the position.

    BTW, do you know if players have to sign some sort of hold harmless waiver when they enter the NFL? Just curious.




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    Re: New Post: Ripping Goodell for fining Ed Reed

    As usual, the billionaires' apologists are out in force.

    Anecdotal evidence like Stingley is immaterial to the argument. For many years the NFL sold the violent side of the game, encouraging players to hit one another as hard as possible (without breaking their necks of course) so they could put the best shots on highlight reels for the enjoyment of the barely-sublimated sadists they treasured as fans--all the while knowing that nothing more than the head trauma that had become standard in the game (with their encouragement) was overwhelmingly likely to lead to shorter life spans & diminished mental capacity.

    But go ahead, keep kissing the billionaires' asses for all I care.




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    See that folks.

    That's fallacy ad hominem, wrapped in class warfare.

    Because you disagree with loba, you're "kissing the asses" of billionaires.

    Never mind the fact you've presented facts in support of your position.

    It's a tired tactic but effective if left unchallenged.
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    Re: New Post: Ripping Goodell for fining Ed Reed

    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    As usual, the billionaires' apologists are out in force.

    Anecdotal evidence like Stingley is immaterial to the argument. For many years the NFL sold the violent side of the game, encouraging players to hit one another as hard as possible (without breaking their necks of course) so they could put the best shots on highlight reels for the enjoyment of the barely-sublimated sadists they treasured as fans--all the while knowing that nothing more than the head trauma that had become standard in the game (with their encouragement) was overwhelmingly likely to lead to shorter life spans & diminished mental capacity.

    But go ahead, keep kissing the billionaires' asses for all I care.
    Where in my post did I defend 'the billionaires'? Oh that's right, I didn't. All I did was point out that NFL players trying to claim they had no knowledge prior to playing for the NFL that it was a dangerous sport are being disingenuous at best. What the heck does that have to do with how the NFL sold their game? If you're arguing the NFL is at fault for attempting to appeal to the lowest common denominator that's one thing, but really has nothing to do with players fraudulently claiming they had no idea that they could sustain life altering injury. Lol, kissing the billionaires' asses indeed. You're horrible at this arguing thing, you'd make a perfect lawyer for the players union.




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    Re: New Post: Ripping Goodell for fining Ed Reed

    My great hope is that the NFL realizes that the pendulum has swung too far towards player safety concerns, and the competition committee will look at revising some of these over the top rules such as "hitting a defenseless receiver" , incidental contact with a players facemask of helmet, or some of the rules protecting quarterbacks.

    I used to know all the rules of football, but there are so many changes and nuances now, I honestly do not know what is and isn't a legal tackle. I do not know much, but I do know that whenever someone tries to make a tackle leading with their shoulder, generally the head and helmet are somewhere nearby. It is really hard to tackle someone without your head getting close to someone else's head, particularly when the person you are trying to tackle ducks his head.

    Most people's initial reaction to someone tackling them is to get lower to the ground by leading with the helmet and shoulder pads. When I played football I would always duck my head to prevent someone from getting a clean shot at my ribs or torso. It's an instinctive move, learned by football players over many years. It cannot be unlearned simply by changing a rule.

    A defensive player, particularly a defensive back, has little choice when bringing down a larger ball carrier, but to lead with his shoulder pads, then wrap up with his arms.

    I do believe Mr Goodell has gone too far in his effort to protect the league's coffers from potential lawsuits, but I am not sure any of would do anything differently if we were in his position.

    I just hope common sense prevails, and the league looks at ways to scale back some of these rules. But I am not sure common sense will prevail when so much money is at stake.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Goob24x7 View Post
    Hey guys, I grabbed a few drinks with Steve (message board admin) and a few of the other guys last night.

    We thought it would be a good idea to bring some of the content from the forefront of the site to the board to help stir some conversations.

    As I'm sure most of you were, I was livid when I saw Reed had been fined $55k and saw plenty of inconstancies with Goodell's decision making. In this post, I took him to task.

    Wondering what your thoughts are...

    Link: http://russellstreetreport.com/ed-re...consistencies/
    Hey goob,

    It does seem like they have it out to get reed.....when your a DB and as fast as Ed is, it's near impossible to lower your head that much....and reed wasn't even leading with his helmet!

    Anyways, good stuff goob, I love seeing your posts and follow you on twitter too.




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    Re: New Post: Ripping Goodell for fining Ed Reed

    The call on Reed was BS. But I don't blame a business for trying to reduce their liability. It's the whiny bitch former player's lawsuit that is the root. How about putting the blame on them.




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    Re: New Post: Ripping Goodell for fining Ed Reed

    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    As usual, the billionaires' apologists are out in force.

    Anecdotal evidence like Stingley is immaterial to the argument. For many years the NFL sold the violent side of the game, encouraging players to hit one another as hard as possible (without breaking their necks of course) so they could put the best shots on highlight reels for the enjoyment of the barely-sublimated sadists they treasured as fans--all the while knowing that nothing more than the head trauma that had become standard in the game (with their encouragement) was overwhelmingly likely to lead to shorter life spans & diminished mental capacity.

    But go ahead, keep kissing the billionaires' asses for all I care.
    Just wondering, did you just start watching football in the last few years? It doesn't sound like you'd be much of a fan of the way the game used to be played.




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