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    Re: Human Body limits



    The real issue is of course head trauma--you can't surgically repair & rehab a brain (& wouldn't even try except in the most dire situations). And the problem there is that most of the damage is caused when the brain gets smacked hard against the skull (& any irregularities on its inner surface) which is caused by rapid deceleration (or acceleration from a blow from behind).

    The thoracic spine & associated musculature cushion the shock from a hard hit anywhere else in the body, but when it's delivered directly to the head there's very little that can be done other than increasing the size of the helmet & installing a form-fitting airbag--& it's dubious whether you can make the thing large enough to be effective & fast enough recycling not to significantly slow the game down.

    (What you'd really need is some sort of shielding that would rotate the force vector of a blow [or any force above a certain threshold] to propagate around the helmet surface & dissipate on the edges, but I know of no such material. My guess is that if any such is available you'd find it in military helmets & body armor.)




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    Quote Originally Posted by Coastergenius View Post
    No, it's just because athletes have been getting stronger and faster over time, and that happened to be when the best runners were dipping under 4 minutes.
    SO it doesn't seem odd to you that 24 seperate people broke the barrier in the 12 months following Bannister's run, which broke a nearly decade old record.

    I agree with you in principal, but there is a bit more to the story.




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    I remember reading that before Roger Bannister accomplished it, that many coaches and doctors believed that it was impossible for anyone to run a mile in under 4 minutes without suffering or at least risking a heart attack.

    So, there seemed to be a psychological barrier involved, at least for some runners.




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    Remember when Fridge was the biggest player in the NFL? He'd be considered a mid-sized run-stuffer in today's league. Andre Johnson was an athletic freak ten years ago out of Miami and now receivers like that are littered throughout the league. Heck, we got one in the sixth round and stashed him on IR.

    Humans are getting bigger. It's the way of things.
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    Defensive lineman Gino "The Giant" Marchetti wasn't even as big as our biggest running back.

    Although even back in the day there were guys big enough to play today. Marion Motley was a 6'4 235 pound running back. Nighttrain Lane was 6'2 210 at CB. But those dudes were freaks of nature, nowadays they're prototypical sized players. Not small, but nothing special.

    Crazy how fast the change happened though.
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    I remember going to Alabama's football camp when I was a junior, and they took us on a tour of the weight room where there are pictures of all the All-Americans throughout Bama's history, along with their sizes and stats. You could actually see the players getting bigger, and bigger, and bigger. I was almost the same size as John Hannah as a junior in high school.

    I'm a big guy but my son is an absolute beast. Four years old, stands four feet tall and weighs 65 pounds. He's gonna be a lot bigger than I am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I'm sure that has something to do with it, but I know guys who are NFL big and very athletic who have never taken any PED. They just had incredible genes, ate a shit ton, and worked out a lot. My cousin is 6'5" and easily 300+ lbs. He's a big guy, but he isn't entirely made up of fat. His dad was a big guy too and was an all-American collegiate player.
    Yup. It's the athletes that are less than gifted that are taking PED's as a means to keep up with naturally gifted athletes.
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    Re: Human Body limits

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Defensive lineman Gino "The Giant" Marchetti wasn't even as big as our biggest running back.

    Although even back in the day there were guys big enough to play today. Marion Motley was a 6'4 235 pound running back. Nighttrain Lane was 6'2 210 at CB. But those dudes were freaks of nature, nowadays they're prototypical sized players. Not small, but nothing special.

    Crazy how fast the change happened though.
    Art "Fatso" Donovan would be have to be a speed rusher in today's NFL.




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    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    The real issue is of course head trauma--you can't surgically repair & rehab a brain (& wouldn't even try except in the most dire situations). And the problem there is that most of the damage is caused when the brain gets smacked hard against the skull (& any irregularities on its inner surface) which is caused by rapid deceleration (or acceleration from a blow from behind).

    The thoracic spine & associated musculature cushion the shock from a hard hit anywhere else in the body, but when it's delivered directly to the head there's very little that can be done other than increasing the size of the helmet & installing a form-fitting airbag--& it's dubious whether you can make the thing large enough to be effective & fast enough recycling not to significantly slow the game down.

    (What you'd really need is some sort of shielding that would rotate the force vector of a blow [or any force above a certain threshold] to propagate around the helmet surface & dissipate on the edges, but I know of no such material. My guess is that if any such is available you'd find it in military helmets & body armor.)
    Seems to me that despite helmet to helmet hits, we are getting more head injuries when the helmet (and the head inside it) hits the ground -especially artificial turf.




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