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    Re: Black Monday



    I am not sure how anybody can assess Pees' performance. He has tried to institute a defensive scheme with different pieces each week, which means he has to switch it up (and players need to re-learn) as more bodies go down. You cannot stay with the same plan when different skill sets are plugged in and the players need to know their job with each revision. BA said that they had three healthy ILB that they had to keep shuffling with different sets in the Broncos' game; none of which were top-tier players IMHO. I think that whoever figured that Kruger was a three-down player to replace JJ may have missed the boat, but how can we really tell when Suggs was out of the picture for so long. Overall, the defense has gotten better (all things considered) and I think a big part of the problem stems from the lack of third down conversions by the offense that keeps the defense on the field so much.
    Having said all of that, if they move on, then so be it. I think they give him another year to try to work things out; especially with the probable changes in the roster.
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    Re: Black Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by esmd View Post
    I think you guys are being unfair to Pees. The defense has dealt with a lot this year starting with FA defections and diminished performance from age/injury. Pees has had a short hand all year long.
    We lost two role players and replaced them through the draft. You can't blame injuries because early in the season before Webb, Lewis, and the other guys got injuries, teams were still running for 150+ yards per game against us, and guys couldn't tackle to save their lives. Those are the kind of things that you blame the DC for. Do you think that you would see a Pagano, Marvin Lewis, or Rex Ryan coached Raven's defense give up 5-10 yards after contact regularly?




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    Re: Black Monday

    So who are the guys who will be available? It sounds like the coaching staffs from the following teams could be gone.

    Browns
    Bills
    Chargers
    Raiders
    Titans
    Cardinals
    Jaguars

    There is also a power struggle going on with the Jets that makes it 50/50 that Rex and his group stay and Payton does not have a contract with the Saints and so there could be a new group there.

    Any interest in any of the defensive coaches from those teams?

    Ray Horton of the Cardinals is an innovative DC and knows how to create pressure.

    Mike Pettine of the Jets came from the Ravens and is a real expert in the system that Rex runs. Pettine actually turned down an extension a week ago so he is probably gone even if Rex stays.

    If Dave Wannstedt is let go by the Bills and Norv Turner is let go by the Chargers the Ravens can reunite one of the greatest coaching groups in recent years. It would be like 1991 all over again.
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    I think it is hard to evaluate Pees this season. YES the defense has sucked this year, but they have had a TON of injuries. It could be a lot of things. The back-ups we brought in just aren't that good, the injured players are that GOOD, the players aren't fitting into his system.

    I mean yes I wouldn't mind another coach IF that said coach was better. But like some of you have said. Who really will be out there?

    I would say give Pees another shot next year and bring in some better talent via starters and back-ups. Then if we suck again you can go another route.




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    Re: Black Monday

    Knowing Harbaugh I can't seem him dumping Pees after just 1 season. That's just not his style. Now if the defense is poor again next year then Pees is gone. After 1 year though he's going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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    Re: Black Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    So who are the guys who will be available? It sounds like the coaching staffs from the following teams could be gone.

    Browns
    Bills
    Chargers
    Raiders
    Titans
    Cardinals
    Jaguars

    There is also a power struggle going on with the Jets that makes it 50/50 that Rex and his group stay and Payton does not have a contract with the Saints and so there could be a new group there.

    Any interest in any of the defensive coaches from those teams?

    Ray Horton of the Cardinals is an innovative DC and knows how to create pressure.

    Mike Pettine of the Jets came from the Ravens and is a real expert in the system that Rex runs. Pettine actually turned down an extension a week ago so he is probably gone even if Rex stays.

    If Dave Wannstedt is let go by the Bills and Norv Turner is let go by the Chargers the Ravens can reunite one of the greatest coaching groups in recent years. It would be like 1991 all over again.

    John Pagnano is the DC for the Chargers. I wonder if he's as good as his brother?




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    Re: Black Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by GirlsKickButt View Post
    John Pagnano is the DC for the Chargers. I wonder if he's as good as his brother?
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    Re: Black Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    So who are the guys who will be available? It sounds like the coaching staffs from the following teams could be gone.

    Browns
    Bills
    Chargers
    Raiders
    Titans
    Cardinals
    Jaguars

    There is also a power struggle going on with the Jets that makes it 50/50 that Rex and his group stay and Payton does not have a contract with the Saints and so there could be a new group there.

    Any interest in any of the defensive coaches from those teams?

    Ray Horton of the Cardinals is an innovative DC and knows how to create pressure.

    Mike Pettine of the Jets came from the Ravens and is a real expert in the system that Rex runs. Pettine actually turned down an extension a week ago so he is probably gone even if Rex stays.

    If Dave Wannstedt is let go by the Bills and Norv Turner is let go by the Chargers the Ravens can reunite one of the greatest coaching groups in recent years. It would be like 1991 all over again.
    GOTA -

    I love Ray Horton. However, I thought I read somewhere that he was going to be a candidate to replace Whisenhut as the HC in Arizona. They'd be fools to kick Horton to the curb. That defense is pretty damn good and going in the right direction.
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    Re: Black Monday

    Agreed, Horton would be awesome to bring in and see the exotic blitz return. But he is likely a HC candidate next year.

    From reports that I've read, Pettine wants to return to the Jets so I'm not sure what's up with the contract.

    I have to tell you I feel sorry for Rex having to play with such a limited talent group on offense. it's like they have no threat of the pass so they go into every game trying to win on the running game, gimmick plays and defense... They need to get him some talent.
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    Re: Black Monday

    For everyone whining they want Pees gone, is it his fault the Ravens "D" has the 3rd MOST plays from scrimmage? Sure, they couldn't get off the field in some games but I think its fair to blame the ineptitude on offense for their sometimes poor play defensively. Furthermore, they're 12th in the league in points allowed (with 321) which isn't that bad overall.

    FWIW, "Yards allowed" is a meaningless stat IMO..."Points allowed" is really the only one that matters (UNLESS you've got a really good offense to compensate. See: Patriots).




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    Re: Black Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    From reports that I've read, Pettine wants to return to the Jets so I'm not sure what's up with the contract.
    This could present an interesting situation. Suppose Rex is fired and Pettine is also available. If Rex can't get another HC gig this year, and decides not to return here as the DC, would Pettine opt to come back and run the D? Would he really shoot himself in the foot and go back to LB coach for Rex?

    It'd be the ultimate slap in the face if we chose Pettine over Rex...
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  13. Re: Black Monday

    Well, one coach not going anywhere is Sean Payton. Saints were in dire need to lock him up.

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    Re: Black Monday

    Browns, Bills, Jaguars, Titans, Chargers, Eagles, Panthers and Chiefs will be all looking for new head coaches. I think Rex will get a stay of execution.

    So many inevitable coaching changes, the offseason is going to be crazy!




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    Re: Black Monday

    Rex is looking more and more like his father, and with the loss of Revis this year he couldn't even keep the defense up.

    Even so, I don't see him getting canned just yet.




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