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    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    Lovie Smith's firing is surprising with one more year left on his contract.
    I know a bit about CHI's GM Phil Emery from a previous life. He's a good dude, but all business and is a bit of a controller. Not passing judgment, just laying it out.

    I think this is a situation where he wants "his guy" in there.




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    No real facts to add, just experience tells me that when a GM is fired, there is no guarentee for the HC staying no matter what is said

    Most GMs want imput on who the HC is/will be and it seems easier to hold onto whoever currently has the position (as in Rex's case) so he is not gone elsewhere before the new GM arrives to make the decision.

    If the coach goes first, the GM probably will survive.... if the GM goes first, the coach is still a coin flip IMO

    Graves and Wisenhut gone in Arizona http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...-gm-rod-graves
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    Whisenhut out in Arizona...
    And the GM




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    any thoughts on whether Billick will return to the coaching business? I really thought he'd have a gig by now.
    this many openings I'm sure we'll see some surprise hires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailorsam View Post
    any thoughts on whether Billick will return to the coaching business? I really thought he'd have a gig by now.
    this many openings I'm sure we'll see some surprise hires.
    I think he's right in his wheelhouse and has no desire to return to the grind of coaching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    I think he's right in his wheelhouse and has no desire to return to the grind of coaching.
    Agree, barring an offer that he couldn't refuse (both financial and situational) I also think he is enjoying life too much as things are for him..... now if he didn't have a ring... but he does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodandfast View Post
    I feel like DeCosta has turned down more appealing opportunities in the past. He's the heir to Ozzie's throne and unless the Pats come knocking before he ascends, he's with Bmore for the duration.
    This, plus he got a contract in this past offseason which basically ensured he wouldn't interview for other GM opportunities.

    If he does, I think he has to return a bunch of money or something.

    LINK: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ing-baltimore/

    Doesn't say WHAT prevents him from leaving. I guess it would just be breach of contract, meaning Ravens could get their money back.
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    I think it's imperative that they at least consider making a change at DC. Watching some of our games, Pee's, knowing we really don't have a consistently dominant pass rusher, is running some of the most vanilla blitzes I've recently seen. That A gap blitz by Ellerbe is used way too much, luckily Ellerbe is an effective blitzer.




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    Atlanta Falcons OC Dirk Koetter is taking an interview at Philly and Cleveland according to SiriusNFL
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodandfast View Post
    I'm with you, but credit where credit is due: they're top ten in points allowed. At the end of the day that's all that matters. Given the lack of a true superstar defender this season, Pees gets a pass unless he takes the Mattison route and retires/moves to a college program.

    These old school type coaches are better suited for the college game IMO. The preach fundamentals, lining up and beating the player across from you, as opposed to creatively scheming against the opponents scheme. The NFL is becoming more of a plug and play league, where teams who are te most successful have minimized the number of individual players that are essential for the team's overall success. That's why the Pats continued to have success when they were trotting WRs out to play CB.
    They're actually tied with the Giants for 12th--344 points allowed in total, 21.5 per game. About 5 ppg more than each of the last four seasons.

    I can't disagree with anything you're saying. And maybe with a healthier season things would have been better. I think the main thing is that I disagree with the 'bend-but-don't-break' philosophy which he seems to be a proponent of. I'd rather have a guy at DC whose goal is to get his defense off the field.




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    Whisenhunt would be my #1 candidate in the offseason for Ravens OC. The guy is an offensive genius who designs the offense around what his players do well. He was a run/play action guru with Roethlisberger (he understood Ben's limitations) and a timing/rhythm based pass-heavy maven with Kurt Warner. Any coach that gets the best out of very different players has talent.

    I doubt it will happen, though, unless Norv Turner turns them down. Norv's system would be very familiar to the players and coaches while Whisenhunt's Erhardt-Perkins scheme would be totally new and require a bit of a learning curve. I think the Erhardt-Perkins is a good fit for our personnel, though... it stresses running the ball to set up play action like the AC, but focuses more on seam routes and scheming guys open. It's what the Patriots run (Whisenhunt learned it under Bill Cowher, who learned it from Ron Erhardt)




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    Don't be so sure Norv is here...He has no ties to Harbaugh, and he's made comments about Rex and the Jets, who are reportedly ready to push their chips all in for him. And, they're out of the playoffs, so they can start pursuing him now. We would have to wait until playoffs are over and we relieve Caldwell of duties.

    Whisenhunt or Shurmur might be good candidates. Want no part of Sparano. Wonder about Childress, he's another guy with Harbaugh ties...
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    It's Whiz' anemic offenses that ultimately got him fired. Not sure he gets high ratings as an OC; he only did that for two years
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    It's Whiz' anemic offenses that ultimately got him fired. Not sure he gets high ratings as an OC; he only did that for two years
    He got fired because Warner left and he didn't have a QB. If you don't have a QB it really doesn't matter how good of an offensive mind you are. I'm not sure how much personnel control Whisenhunt had but the lion's share of blame for their QB mess should probably go to the GM, Rod Graves. He's the one that backed the Brinks truck up for Kevin Kolb.

    He was an OC for 3 years at Pittsburgh, but the Cardinals offense from 07-12 was his baby even if Haley was the coordinator in name. His credentials are better than most and his system works (when it has a competent QB.)




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    Whisenhut....ehhh...I don't know.

    I am, however, willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in a lot of circumstances because he never had a QB to work with once Kurt Warner retired.
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