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    Op wasn't talking about how Flacco played. He was talking about how before this game, when asked who was responsible for the offense underperforming all season, Joe said that it was 100% him. He didn't use the moment to blame Cam, he didn't complain about his O line, he didn't mention wide receivers needing to be able to beat press coverage. He could have, and those would have all been true, but instead he put it all on his shoulders and said "100% me."

    And look at how his team mates responded.

    Next time someone claims that Joe isn't a leader, I'm just going to link to this post until that meme goes away.
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    Re: Joe 'Manned Up'

    He did the job that he is paid for. He made adjustments and got it done last week. "Manned up" is so cliche.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saltwater_Rider View Post
    He did the job that he is paid for. He made adjustments and got it done last week. "Manned up" is so cliche.
    Again, the OP isn't as much talking about his play as he is him taking responsibility for his (and the offense overall) mistakes.




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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    #1) You don't think Flacco has improved? (rhetorical question I guess). Flacco in his first two years was largely a game manager who infrequently would make a game-changing play. He now is the type of QB who can single-handedly take over a football game when he's hot. Yes, consistency is still an issue (just like in his first few seasons), but the upside is much higher than before and I think you can argue the floor has become a lot higher as well. Look at his stat lines over his first 32 starts. You saw a lot of sub-200 yard, 0 TD games. We were okay with those efforts before, because the Ravens still won the game in the midst of those lackluster stat lines. You rarely see those type of games from him anymore. We, as fans, have clearly raised the bar for him. In the absence of a good defense this year, Flacco has to win games, not just manage them. When he fails, we chastise him. Yet, the fact that he is now frequently able to turn in the type of effort like he did on Sunday indicates his level of play has indeed improved. Joe Flacco circa 2008 or 2009 could not have done what he did against Cincy, NE, Oak, Was, or NYG this year. I would state that those who think Flacco hasn't improved are using a ridiculously upward moving scale in evaluating him.
    Well, I guess all this depends on which measurables you consider to be important.

    With one game to go, Flacco has 526 attempts on the year, so if he has significant PT this (edit: weekend) he'll wind up with the most attempts in one year of his career (had 542 last year, highest to date).

    His completion percentage so far this year is 59.89, second-worst of his five years. Only last year was worse--he actually completed a greater percentage of passes as a rookie. For his career, he's a 60.59% passer, so he's slightly below that as well at this point.

    He's getting 7.2 yards/attempt this year, slightly better than his career average of 7.1, and tied with 2009 as his second-best effort in that respect.

    22 TDs and 10 interceptions is slightly better than his average per year in both respects--however, when you consider that he's had more attempts this year than in others, it makes the TD number look worse and the interception number look better, so that's a wash.

    So in terms of these measurables, Flacco's pretty much having a standard year for him. As far as the intangibles of which you speak go... maybe, but I'd argue that they're not consistently around. These 0 TD games of which you speak are still around. I'd argue that the fact that he threw one TD pass in garbage time against the Texans, or two in garbage time against the Broncos, doesn't mean all that much...




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    Re: Joe 'Manned Up'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    Agreed. The Ravens running game was clicking against the Giants. Both Ray Rice and Pierce had over 100 yards rushing. Flacco had a good game, but he did it in an environment where other parts of the offense were also doing well. When opposing teams are able to shut down the Ravens running game, Flacco really struggles. I am very happy about the win and I agree that Flacco played well, but let's not go overboard. The Giants are playing some really bad football right now.
    You mean like in the playoffs last year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    You mean like in the playoffs last year?
    One game.

    Against one of the worse passing defenses in the league too.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    One game.

    Against one of the worse passing defenses in the league too.
    Oh, Joe didn't play well in the Texans game either? My bad...guess those two TD passes don't count then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Oh, Joe didn't play well in the Texans game either? My bad...guess those two TD passes don't count then.
    Wicked, it's just not worth the effort man.


    For those that missed it, as ASB and others have said here, this isn't about his play. They asked him all week leading up to the Giants game about the offense, and he said it all starts with him.

    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/...d-475ee3e0558e

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Flacco
    On how much of the offense’s struggles he puts on himself: As much of it as I can – all of it. It starts with the quarterback, and that’s the position that is looked at. You have to go look at yourself and see what you can do better in order to make everybody else around you a little bit better and in order to get our team to win.”
    He didn't do the Peyton-Manning-After-Losing-a-Playoff-Game bit and blame the OL, or the coaching, or Ray Rice, or anyone else. He took it.




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    Re: Joe 'Manned Up'

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Oh, Joe didn't play well in the Texans game either? My bad...guess those two TD passes don't count then.
    He wasn't great, I thought we where lucky to win that game. Two of his TD's came from turnovers in the Texans own red zone too.




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    Re: Joe 'Manned Up'

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    One game.

    Against one of the worse passing defenses in the league too.
    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    He wasn't great, I thought we where lucky to win that game. Two of his TD's came from turnovers in the Texans own red zone too.
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    Re: Joe 'Manned Up'

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    He wasn't great, I thought we where lucky to win that game. Two of his TD's came from turnovers in the Texans own red zone too.
    This is what people are talking about when we say you dismiss Flacco's accomplishments. He was the only offensive player to show up that game. Took a massive beating from start to finish. Got zero help from the run game.

    Got it done in the clutch though.

    But somehow, 2TDs zero picks and a QB rating around 100 is luck. Bullshit. Give the man the credit he earns.
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    Re: Joe 'Manned Up'

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Goal Posts moved...CHECK.
    Point is, when the run game isn't effective, Joe does struggle most of the time, as does most QB's in the NFL. Again, I don't get why people get offended by any type of critique about Joe, Tom Brady struggles without an effective run game at times, I don't see anyone willing to argue with that point around here.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    He wasn't great, I thought we where lucky to win that game. Two of his TD's came from turnovers in the Texans own red zone too.
    Haha I'm pretty certain this is what people are talking about when they say that when it comes to Flacco's success, it's of everyone's doing but his own.


    Points of off turnovers or not, Rice had a game similar to the 49ers one, no where to run.
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    Re: Joe 'Manned Up'

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    He wasn't great, I thought we where lucky to win that game. Two of his TD's came from turnovers in the Texans own red zone too.


    That's EXACTLY the point Sting and others are trying to make.
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    Re: Joe 'Manned Up'

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    This is what people are talking about when we say you dismiss Flacco's accomplishments. He was the only offensive player to show up that game. Took a massive beating from start to finish. Got zero help from the run game.

    Got it done in the clutch though.

    But somehow, 2TDs zero picks and a QB rating around 100 is luck. Bullshit. Give the man the credit he earns.
    I guess we should just forget about Jacoby Jones fumbling the ball, or the terrible Ed Reed picking off a pass and essentially saving us the game.




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