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    Joe 'Manned Up'



    I would just like to comment on Joe's 'manning up' after that humiliating loss to Denver. His performance 'sucked; but he faced the music like a man and said, in effect, that the next two weeks will define who we are as a team. He was a True Professional, and made no bones about his performance, or lack thereof. I give you mega props, Joe - you certainly revealed a lot about your character to me, and many other fans, I am sure. And, this week you delivered big time ... my hats off to you!
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    Said it a few times, Flacco is all business playing for the Ravens, his money contract will be the same. Joe will be paid for what he has done so far in the NFL, Ravens need to get it done. Joe would be a treasure to certain teams who have the money to spend. Ravens fans have had it great for the last five years, compared to the rest of the leagye( except the patriots). Personally, I want Flacco in a Ravens uniform for his career, reading what the Flacco haters post is entertaining, but the same group can get annoying. Thanks Joe for winning in Baltimore and hope you have a great year in 2013.




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    It was great what Flacco did, but let's see if this thread will become even more justified after the post season. Joe could essentially become a very rich man if he does all the right things in the play offs.




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    Aside from becoming a rich man, he demonstrated something more important, and that is he showed what kind of 'man' he is - character and integrity are worth far more than Ws and Ls, as we would all agree!
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    When Joe has confidence in both the gameplan and his teammates, he plays with confidence, and when he plays with confidence, he can beat anybody.
    So, it's going to come down to how well the line and receivers play and how smart the gameplan is.
    I believe Caldwell can get it done, and we now have enough talent on offense as well.
    The real question is: can we keep them healthy, especially at the O-Line because after Oher, Birk, Yanda, and Osemele, we've got nobody who can play even marginally well (other than McKinnie--probably, and maybe Gradkowski?)
    We're going to try to win a Super Bowl with essentially 4 starting O-Linemen it seems.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenjoe View Post
    Aside from becoming a rich man, he demonstrated something more important, and that is he showed what kind of 'man' he is - character and integrity are worth far more than Ws and Ls, as we would all agree!
    Yeah..... Not in the NFL. Being a nice guy doesn't pay but being a good football player does.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    Yeah..... Not in the NFL. Being a nice guy doesn't pay but being a good football player does.
    That may be true; but character and integrity last a lifetime, and Joe possesses both qualities.
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    He had a good game, you act like he walked on water, come on man
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    He had a good game, you act like he walked on water, come on man
    Not at all - he simply manned up, and that shows alot of character. With the game he had, I am sure he would've preferred to sneak out the back door, but instead he faced the music.
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    how did he 'man up' and 'face the music'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74 View Post
    When Joe has confidence in both the gameplan and his teammates, he plays with confidence, and when he plays with confidence, he can beat anybody.
    So, it's going to come down to how well the line and receivers play and how smart the gameplan is.
    I believe Caldwell can get it done, and we now have enough talent on offense as well.
    The real question is: can we keep them healthy, especially at the O-Line because after Oher, Birk, Yanda, and Osemele, we've got nobody who can play even marginally well (other than McKinnie--probably, and maybe Gradkowski?)
    We're going to try to win a Super Bowl with essentially 4 starting O-Linemen it seems.


    What's he going to do when something breaks down again? At some point all great, good, QB's have
    improv. He's good with too many "whens" when this, if that....When all of the variables are remove and "when" the stars aligned, he can play great.

    He had a great game, no doubt, and compliments to him. But how many of us are waiting, not if, but when that other Joe shows up, and he will.

    I hate to think we've lowered the bar so low as to actually celebrate a #1 draft pick playing like expected. He played as he was expected to play and should play. He was doing his job and I hope he continues.




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    This thread has nothing to do with how "he played", or is "expected to play" ... it has everything to do with being accountable, and challenging himself and the team to do better! That's the kind of players Ozzie drafts, and it is nice to see him back up his dismal performance against Denver, with the type of play we witnessed on Sunday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74 View Post
    The real question is: can we keep them healthy, especially at the O-Line because after Oher, Birk, Yanda, and Osemele, we've got nobody who can play even marginally well (other than McKinnie--probably, and maybe Gradkowski?)
    We're going to try to win a Super Bowl with essentially 4 starting O-Linemen it seems.
    I think Jah Reid has played decently at LG since taking over that spot about a month ago. He's not Grubbs quality, but he's not a mammoth liability like Bobbie Williams has been all year.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    He had a good game, you act like he walked on water, come on man
    Agreed. The Ravens running game was clicking against the Giants. Both Ray Rice and Pierce had over 100 yards rushing. Flacco had a good game, but he did it in an environment where other parts of the offense were also doing well. When opposing teams are able to shut down the Ravens running game, Flacco really struggles. I am very happy about the win and I agree that Flacco played well, but let's not go overboard. The Giants are playing some really bad football right now.




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    Quote Originally Posted by DonNMass View Post
    What's he going to do when something breaks down again? At some point all great, good, QB's have
    improv. He's good with too many "whens" when this, if that....When all of the variables are remove and "when" the stars aligned, he can play great.

    He had a great game, no doubt, and compliments to him. But how many of us are waiting, not if, but when that other Joe shows up, and he will.

    I hate to think we've lowered the bar so low as to actually celebrate a #1 draft pick playing like expected. He played as he was expected to play and should play. He was doing his job and I hope he continues.
    This is one of the worst posts we've seen here....ever

    #1) You don't think Flacco has improved? (rhetorical question I guess). Flacco in his first two years was largely a game manager who infrequently would make a game-changing play. He now is the type of QB who can single-handedly take over a football game when he's hot. Yes, consistency is still an issue (just like in his first few seasons), but the upside is much higher than before and I think you can argue the floor has become a lot higher as well. Look at his stat lines over his first 32 starts. You saw a lot of sub-200 yard, 0 TD games. We were okay with those efforts before, because the Ravens still won the game in the midst of those lackluster stat lines. You rarely see those type of games from him anymore. We, as fans, have clearly raised the bar for him. In the absence of a good defense this year, Flacco has to win games, not just manage them. When he fails, we chastise him. Yet, the fact that he is now frequently able to turn in the type of effort like he did on Sunday indicates his level of play has indeed improved. Joe Flacco circa 2008 or 2009 could not have done what he did against Cincy, NE, Oak, Was, or NYG this year. I would state that those who think Flacco hasn't improved are using a ridiculously upward moving scale in evaluating him.

    2) "when the stars align, he can play great". First off, the stars must align quite often in your galaxy, because Flacco has had a lot of really good games over the last 30 starts. This isn't a case of the guy looking like Johnny Unitas once a year. He has these burst of brilliance far more regularly than you state. Secondly, in the midst of a lot of variables in his career, he's still produced at a perfectly good level and won a lot of football games. None of the TEs or WRs who he threw to in year #1 and #2 were around for year #4.

    Also, this statement shows your lack of comprehension on how difficult the NFL is. Flacco is not Brady or Peyton or Brees. Nobody here thinks he is or expects him to be. Aside from that trio, every other QB in the league is going to suffer when variables change or are removed. That is a fact that people who follow the trends of teams league-wide have observed. Joe has had a patchwork, underperforming line in front of him this year. He rarely has time to set and throw and yet is having another solid season. When Jay Cutler or Eli Manning or Philip Rivers (all QBs viewed to be better than Joe by a lot of analysts) have struggles with their O-lines, they throw 15-20 INTs a season. Joe, despite his O-line struggles, has only 10 INTs this year. That should be no surprise, since Flacco, despite never missing an NFL start, has never thrown more than 12 in a season. Despite being inconsistent from start-to-start, Flacco is arguably the most consistent QB from an overall stats line in NFL history.

    #3) When we wait for the other Joe to show up...is that Joe really all that awful? Again, here is where statistical facts come into play. Joe Flacco has gone 45 games without throwing more than two interceptions. During that 45 game stretch since he last threw 3, he has only had three instances where he even threw two INTs in a game. I think we need to take a step back and appreciate how impressive that is. Matt Ryan had a game this year where he threw 0TD-5INT. Eli Manning has numerous games where he is a turnover machine. We criticized Joe after his efforts against WAS and DEN even those two games he had 5TDs-2INTs and a passer rating a couple points shy of 100. I agree that he didn't play well, but if those two weeks were your example of his poor play, you need to find better examples to convince me, particularly in light of what a truly bad game is for other NFL QBs.

    #4) What does Joe's draft position have to do with his level of criticism and expectation. Would we be reacting any differently to his performance this year if he was a 4th round pick? Would his interception against the Broncos be more excusable? That's a severely flawed logic. Late first round draft pick QBs are far from a sure thing and Flacco has vastly out-performed the expectations for even an early-to-mid first rounder, let alone a late first rounder (not that it's even relevant). You state as almost a matter of fact that first round draft pick QBs are assured of greatness, which is outright wrong. Flacco in year #4, with one dropped pass away from the Super Bowl, was IMO ahead of Matthew "king-of-the-meaningless stat" Stafford (a #1 overall pick) is this year in his 4th season. He's also on a much better arc than Sanchez, Freeman, and even Sam Bradford (another #1 overall pick). He also is probably on par with Matt Ryan, who was taken as the first QB in his own 2008 draft. Ryan has better numbers (against far worse defenses), but has been an outright AWFUL Qb when it counts in the playoffs. I might still give the edge to Flacco in that comparison. If you think a QB should enter the NFL in the late first round and have the expectation for them to have the success that Flacco has, you are truly uneducated on the history of the game of football. Even when Joe has a bad game or bad moment, he still has done some pretty remarkable things in his first 5 NFL seasons....some of which may never be done again....ever.




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