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Re: Flacco Closing in on 4,000 yards.
So, how do you evaluate a situation where Peyton Manning rides his defense to a Super Bowl, following multiple subpar playoff performances (multiple picks vs. KC and Balt and not even scoring a TD against Baltimore), and how do you evaluate a player like Eli Manning or Ben Roethlisberger, having more Super Bowl Championships than Manning?
Personally, I don't think you've been consistent in what you've considered qualifying criteria at the QB position."Please take with you this final sword, The Excellector. I am praying that your journey will be guided by the light", Leon Shore
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Re: Flacco Closing in on 4,000 yards.
Peyton Manning was considered to be up there with Marino before his SB, being the best QB to never win a SB. You cannot in any sense put Flacco into that category. Anyway, Flacco hasn't won a SB yet, so you can't put him in the same sentence as Eli or Ben either right now. What good is winning play off games but never the big one?
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12-24-2012, 08:02 PM #51
Re: Flacco Closing in on 4,000 yards.
Ben Roethlisberger getting credit for his first SB ring is also equally interesting when he damn near literally rode on the back of his running game to get there. Ben had one of the lowest pass attempt numbers in the league at 268, only had 2385 total passing yards, and only threw 17 TD's. He also only played 12 games. The running backs had almost as many TD's total than Ben did throwing. Basically they would get to the redzone and Bettis would be given the ball.
But hey, this is about Joe getting to 4,000 yards, which is something positive to take out of this crazy season.
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Re: Flacco Closing in on 4,000 yards.
That was Bens second year in the league, what do you expect? Flacco was pretty much as restricted as Ben was in his first two years too. The Steelers had an amazing defense and a great running game, they won the SB off that, in spite of Ben. Ben has developed into an elite QB since then, it just happens that Flacco got unlucky last season and hasn't got a ring to show for it, there are no guarantees Flacco would have won that SB against the red hot Giants at the time either though.
Whether or not Joe develops into the QB Ben is today (the latest episodes notwithstanding), is still very much in the air right now though.
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12-24-2012, 08:30 PM #53
Re: Flacco Closing in on 4,000 yards.
Based on what though? Flacco threw the ball over twice as much. Now, Ben played 4 less games, but that shouldn't amount to a difference of 231 pass attempts.
In fact, in Flacco's second year at 499 pass attempts he was 15th in pass attempts; ahead of guys like Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Matt Ryan, and Matthew Stafford.
If you want to dig even deeper, 2005 Roethlisberger was 22.9 attempts per game while 2009 Flacco was 31.2.
So I don't know how Flacco was just as restricted as Ben was in his first two years. The numbers don't bear that out.
The Steelers had an amazing defense and a great running game, they won the SB off that, in spite of Ben. Ben has developed into an elite QB since then, it just happens that Flacco got unlucky last season and hasn't got a ring to show for it, there are no guarantees Flacco would have won that SB against the red hot Giants at the time either though.
Whether or not Joe develops into the QB Ben is today (the latest episodes notwithstanding), is still very much in the air right now though.
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Five of the top six passing leaders this weekend lost the game. It's great for Flacco to get to 4K and it would be a major milestone but I like a little balance too
World Domination 3 Points at a Time!
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12-24-2012, 11:15 PM #56
Re: Flacco Closing in on 4,000 yards.
You meant Oliver Luck.
Andrew is the rookie, Oliver is his father:
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...L/LuckOl00.htm
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Re: Flacco Closing in on 4,000 yards.
It's a good thing the NFL doesn't use your goalposts: they move too much. No one would ever get an extra point, let alone a field goal.
We're talking about your stated standard for judging Flacco, and that's performance in the playoffs. Both of them spent more years watching someone else kiss the Lombardi. Manning and Marino have three SB appearances and one trophy between them, and that's a lot of years of futility. The one NFL title- Manning's- came during perhaps his worst performance in the playoffs. A much-maligned defense caught lightening in a bottle, and so did the moribund Irsay running game. Manning's team won him that ring, not heroics from Peyton. For heroics, you have to look to little Eli scrambling like a scared rabbit and hitting a receiver with stickum on his helmet.
Which, I suppose, makes Little Brother better than Peyton. After all, Eli may blow chunks from time to time in the regular season, but the regular season is meaningless. In the playoffs, Eli seems to rise to the occasion, while Big Brother seems to have a black belt in choke-fu.
You could say the same of Marino. Up 21 points against the Chargers in 1994, Marino and the Dolphin offense sputtered while Natrone Means trampled the Killer Bees to take the divisional round playoff game. That was probably the closest Marino ever came to getting back to the Super Bowl. He actually had a decent running game and a stout defense to compliment his arm.
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