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  1. #31
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    Re: Better off with the 4th seed



    Just remember, as the 4th seed we could play either the 1st or 2nd seeds in the divisional round if we win the first game. We would play the 2nd seed if the 6 seed knocked off the 3rd seed. The lowest remaining seed would play the #1 seed, so we'd end up in Denver regardless (if seeds stay where they are now).




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    The other issue here is what will Marvin do with the Bengals. He may rest everyone as well, so if by some weird occurrence the Dolphins upset the Pats...who knows where we will be.




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    Re: Better off with the 4th seed

    I have no strong feelings on this.

    Both Houston and Denver not only beat us, but creamed us. Both games would be away. We need to focus on continuing to win. This is the one time if any that the team really, REALLY needs to buy in to the "one game at a time" concept.




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    Rest the Starters?

    With the division clinched and a slight chance to improve our slot in the playoffs do the Ravens rest their starters and concede the Bengals game or do they play to win?
    Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, you should never wish to do less"--GEN R. E. Lee





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    Re: Better off with the 4th seed

    Ok, I think we should try to win this game and go for the #3 seed, as unlikely as it may be. Glenn Clark of WNST wrote an article today which made me rethink my position:

    By virtue of their 33-14 win over the New York Giants Sunday at M&T Bank Stadium, the Ravens clinched the AFC North title and a home playoff game. They are guaranteed to play on Wild Card weekend of the NFL Playoffs, but they are not yet locked into the four seed. The Ravens could still clinch the three seed in the AFC Playoffs with a win over the Bengals and a New England Patriots loss to the Miami Dolphins.

    The difference in the third seed and fourth seed isn’t necessarily significant, but it has the potential to be. Getting the third seed could be the difference in whether the Ravens are able to host the AFC Championship Game.

    It seems like an unlikely scenario, but it’s not impossible. Should the Ravens and Patriots end up as the third and fourth seeds but each win their first two playoff games, they would meet in the AFC title game. If the Pats are the three seed and the Ravens the four, the Pats would host the game at Gillette Stadium in Foxborough. I vaguely remember such a game happening there before.

    But if the Ravens were to finish as the three seed and the Patriots the fourth seed, the game would then be played in the friendly confines of M&T Bank Stadium, the place where the Baltimore Ravens have won 15 of their last 17 games (including playoffs).

    Which scenario would you prefer?

    I got this question Sunday night. “This seems so unlikely. When was the last time something like this even happened?”

    The person who asked was right. It IS an unlikely scenario. But if the Ravens are to return to the AFC Championship Game at all, they will HAVE to knock off one of the top two seeds. The Pats would then only need to win a game either in Houston or Denver, neither of which seems like an impossible scenario.

    And if you’ll allow your memory to serve you right, you’ll be reminded that the Ravens were a second half collapse away from having this scenario play out in January 2011. The New York Jets stunned the Patriots in Foxborough, so had the Ravens avoided blowing a fourteen point halftime lead to the Pittsburgh Steelers at Heinz Field, they would have hosted the AFC Championship Game as a five seed.

    Some people argued to me “Glenn, I think the road is easier as a four seed because I’d rather play Indianapolis and Houston than Cincinnati and Denver.”

    I have absolutely no idea why there is a sudden fear of the Cincinnati Bengals amongst Ravens fans. The difference between the Bengals and Colts is minimal at best. Bengals QB Andy Dalton has thrown for three touchdowns and five interceptions over the course of the last three weeks, is 0-3 in his career against the Ravens and thus far in his NFL career has not defeated a team that has clinched a postseason berth (although that could change next week if the Washington Redskins or New York Giants get in).

    The Houston argument is more compelling. Despite the fact that the Ravens suffered a 43-13 shellacking earlier this season in Houston, it’s easy to understand why fans would believe that task more likely to be accomplished than a Ravens win in Denver. What’s forgotten in this scenario is that the Texans have not yet clinched the top seed in the AFC. They will need to do something they’ve never done in franchise history-win in Indianapolis-next Sunday in order to nail down the top spot, and RB Arian Foster’s availability could be an issue after he left Sunday’s loss to the Minnesota Vikings with an irregular heartbeat.

    Should the Texans lose (as well as the Patriots) and the Broncos win, the Broncos would be the one seed and the Texans would be the two seed. Which scenario is better for the Ravens at that point?

    The NFL did the Ravens no favors in scheduling, as their tilt with the Bengals will kick off at 1pm Sunday, while the Patriots won’t kick off until some three hours later. The Ravens will not have the benefit of knowing what the Patriots are doing to decide if there’s a point where they want to pull their starters.

    Instead, they’ll simply have to channel former NFL coach Herm Edwards and “play to win the game.”

    That doesn’t mean they should go crazy.

    The Ravens are smart enough to know that the Patriots are unlikely to lose to the Dolphins and will most likely open the postseason by hosting the Colts in a playoff game for the second time in franchise history. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t try.

    As Harbaugh said, merging the two considerations is very plausible.

    It would make total sense for the Ravens to consider giving oft-injured DT Haloti Ngata another week off (he rested for the team’s blowout win over the Oakland Raiders in November) and even LB Terrell Suggs (who has played the last two weeks after suffering a torn biceps tendon) the day off. Harbaugh also confirmed LB Ray Lewis wouldn’t be a consideration to return from Injured Reserve until the postseason. It wouldn’t be stunning to see S Bernard Pollard miss a third straight game either, and if WR Anquan Boldin’s shoulder is of significant concern it would be understandable to see him miss the finale as well.

    But there is absolutely no reason for the Ravens to spend Sunday’s game with Tyrod Taylor handing the ball off to Anthony Allen all afternoon while Joe Flacco and Ray Rice watch in sweats. It’s one thing to be prudent. It’s quite another to just plain give up.

    With something to play for still, there’s no reason the Ravens should do the latter. Judging by John Harbaugh’s comments, I’ll assume they won’t.




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    Re: Bengals Next Week (Playoff Implications)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    The best way for the Ravens to advance in the playoffs is to get as many players as healthy as they can. For them to do that, they need to rest any injured players next week. If they win that game with back-ups then fine, but they should rest a bunch of players against Cincy.
    I am squarely in this camp. To get to the big dance you're gonna have to beat at least 2 very good football teams. I say get as many healthy as possible and give the starters some rest.The odds of getting that second home game is not in our favor.
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    Re: Bengals Next Week (Playoff Implications)

    How's this for parity...

    The Patriots could lose next week along with a Ravens win, and be the #4 seed.
    OTOH, If the Pats win, couple with Houston and Denver losses, they would be the #1 seed.
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    Re: Better off with the 4th seed

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I say rest everyone, make it a defacto bye week and focus on the home playoff game.

    We can move up to the three seed but I don't see the benefit for us. In fact, I'd much rather face the Colts and their suspect D line.
    I agree. Rest everyone that needs it or could benefit from it. I'm concerning myself with the 1st round game, not where we might go after that.


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    Re: Better off with the 4th seed

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I say rest everyone, make it a defacto bye week and focus on the home playoff game.

    We can move up to the three seed but I don't see the benefit for us. In fact, I'd much rather face the Colts and their suspect D line.
    I can see the necessity of resting Ngata, Suggs and Pollard but we can't rest too many players as they're already milking the depth players for all they're worth.




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    Re: Better off with the 4th seed

    The WNST article is correct if Miami beats New England this weekend (who knows, BB could rest players). But otherwise I don't think it is a big deal either way.
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    Re: Better off with the 4th seed

    The Pats will not beat Denver on the road. The Pats are as good as Vince Wilfork and he can't put back to back games at his highest level...
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    Re: Bengals Next Week (Playoff Implications)

    Yep I'm in the camp of resting alot of the defensive starters, mainly Ed, Ngata, Suggs. Ray needs to get some snaps but not too many just enough to work up a sweat and get back into "gameshape".

    The offense should all see the first half, and thats it. I'd even pull Pierce after that and let Allen take the touches.

    Realitstically the Bungles aren't game planning for Tyrod, and will prob be resting alot of their starters also. So hand Tyrod and Co a decent 10 point lead or so and they should still be able to get it done.




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    Re: Bengals Next Week (Playoff Implications)

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    How's this for parity...

    The Patriots could lose next week along with a Ravens win, and be the #4 seed.
    OTOH, If the Pats win, couple with Houston and Denver losses, they would be the #1 seed.
    Parity is evident even more so in the NFC, the final 5 seeds have yet to be finalized and 9 teams are still in the hunt.




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    Re: Bengals Next Week (Playoff Implications)

    Since we had three separate threads going on about what seed we should get and should we rest starters, they were all merged here.




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    Re: Bengals Next Week (Playoff Implications)

    Quote Originally Posted by akashicrecorder View Post
    And herein lies the great debate. Do we rest starters for a more significant playoff push? Or do we play the damn game like it's any other Sunday and try to win? (Despite the fact it's unlikely Miami can beat NE in NE?)
    This team needs work. I wouldn't rest anyone whose healthy. It's time to get on a roll and put the wins together. They can't just turn it on when they need it.
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