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    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    McKinnie was also dumped by his team, had numerous off field distractions, and had his attitude and work ethic questioned as it relates to his ability to contribute versus distract. I think there is SOME comparison. Gaither also looked like an all pro, at times, which is why many pined for him to work out.
    McKinnie also started EVERY game last season for the Ravens at LT, and played better then Oher has played LT this season. The Ravens were one dropped pass from the SB with McKinnie playing LT for them last season. I don't care if McKinnie is the long-term solution at LT or not. The NFL is a year to year proposition. Harbaugh's ONLY concern should be fielding the best team to win THIS season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    McKinnie also started EVERY game last season for the Ravens at LT, and played better then Oher has played LT this season.
    I'd say McKinnie was a better pass blocker, but a lackluster, worse run blocker than Oher.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    The Ravens were one dropped pass from the SB with McKinnie playing LT for them last season.
    But, like Flacco, they didn't necessarily get that far BECAUSE of McKinnie (or because of Ray Lewis or Ed Reed).

    I don't have a problem with team deciding in training camp need to go with a younger guy in Oher who has played well enough to think he can be a long term solution.

    It's like a Paul Kruger situation. He was slammed as a bust by many, but the Ravens made a commitment to him (partly because a guy like Kindle flamed out and a guy like JJ got older and more expensive) -- and it worked out.

    I don't blame them for committing to Oher this year to see if he too could turn the corner. I also don't blame them for thinking that McKinnie isn't the answer based on what they saw in camp, and in practices since.

    If the coaches want to try McKinnie right now because Oher has fallen off as far as he has, okay, I trust that decision, but I also think there is just as much risk that it sends backwards making big changes this late (Just like the Cam decision).




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    Shas- I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this. Thanks, I enjoyed the discussion.




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    Thanks, no problem. I guess, for me, it comes down to the fact that I don't see that big a difference between the players. They both seem pretty flawed to me, and I can't really bitch about the decision to start one over the other, and I can understand the decision to see what they have for the future in Oher, given that their talent was close enough.

    Same story for Jah Reid and Bobby Williams. I understand going with the younger guy over the talented veteran who may be too banged up or slowed to be what he once was. The fact that Jah hasn't knocked it out of the park doesn't make the decision to start him over Williams wrong...it just makes the talent they have on the O line disappointing. It's frustrating not to think they have a solution in the wings when they are on the brink of being pretty darn good, but I don't think they have a solution in the wings when it comes to improving the offensive line play.




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    at the rate Oher is giving up sacks its a matter of time one of those sacks result in flacco getting hurt, although injuries can come at any time keeping Oher in there gives that probablity of flacco getting hurt a much higher rate, you think we look bad with flacco now, let tyrod taylor play behind center. This offense is not working, one of those problems are gone the next 2 is 1. the system and 2. Oline...some guys just don't have it and Oher just doesn't have it playing LT. Filmstudy who we all know and respect on this board have said it many times Oher is not a quality tackle in this league but this FO and coaching staff is gonna die by opposite.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    I'd say McKinnie was a better pass blocker, but a lackluster, worse run blocker than Oher.



    But, like Flacco, they didn't necessarily get that far BECAUSE of McKinnie (or because of Ray Lewis or Ed Reed).

    I don't have a problem with team deciding in training camp need to go with a younger guy in Oher who has played well enough to think he can be a long term solution.

    It's like a Paul Kruger situation. He was slammed as a bust by many, but the Ravens made a commitment to him (partly because a guy like Kindle flamed out and a guy like JJ got older and more expensive) -- and it worked out.

    I don't blame them for committing to Oher this year to see if he too could turn the corner. I also don't blame them for thinking that McKinnie isn't the answer based on what they saw in camp, and in practices since.

    If the coaches want to try McKinnie right now because Oher has fallen off as far as he has, okay, I trust that decision, but I also think there is just as much risk that it sends backwards making big changes this late (Just like the Cam decision).
    I wouldn't say that worked out the FO got stuck, Kruger is not bust but he is not a full time starter.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Jsmoove View Post
    at the rate Oher is giving up sacks its a matter of time one of those sacks result in flacco getting hurt, although injuries can come at any time keeping Oher in there gives that probablity of flacco getting hurt a much higher rate, you think we look bad with flacco now, let tyrod taylor play behind center. This offense is not working, one of those problems are gone the next 2 is 1. the system and 2. Oline...some guys just don't have it and Oher just doesn't have it playing LT. Filmstudy who we all know and respect on this board have said it many times Oher is not a quality tackle in this league but this FO and coaching staff is gonna die by opposite.
    Jim Caldwell meet Ray Rice. Cam was fired partially for not using Rice enough then Jim completely forgets him last week. Gmen are giving up a lot of yards on the ground; feed Rice and the Oline will look better IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    Jim Caldwell meet Ray Rice. Cam was fired partially for not using Rice enough then Jim completely forgets him last week. Gmen are giving up a lot of yards on the ground; feed Rice and the Oline will look better IMO
    Didn't Rice get 20 carries last week? I wouldnt say Caldwell forgot about him as much as the game changed in the second half due to the score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    Didn't Rice get 20 carries last week? I wouldnt say Caldwell forgot about him as much as the game changed in the second half due to the score.

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    He got 12 carries and never touched the ball on 3rd down. Not a way to win this weekend
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    He got 12 carries and never touched the ball on 3rd down. Not a way to win this weekend
    Yeah, but when you're losing 31-3 at halftime, it ain't really the smartest thing to be handing the ball off to your RB's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    He got 12 carries and never touched the ball on 3rd down. Not a way to win this weekend
    Then the others were catches. He wasn't forgotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    Then the others were catches. He wasn't forgotten.

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    Yeah he had 3 catches for 3 yards. Fanfuckingtastic. If Cam had called that game the board would melt down

    Caldwell better feed Rice this week or he's even dumber than I think and that's approaching the IQ of a fern
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    the whole Oline was mess last week, beside from pierce big run there was no room to run, with bullshit bobby williams and birk getting blowed off the ball. They should have shuffled the line for this game just see how it work, we already had fired Cam and couldn't expect a whole lot out the offense with caldwell's first game as OC. The shuffling would have made sense at that time. Bringing Mckinney in at the least would have strengthed the Oline because it would sent Oher back to RT where he is atleast above average and slide KO to gaurd which he started out during camp and by all means was doing pretty well there. Which means Birk might not have look so bad with an interior of Ried and KO atleast the gut would not have been blown up that much time and gives more strength to the right side with Oher as run blocker. Who know's how Mckinney would have worked out all I know is that dude shut down James Harrison in a key blowout last season week 1 Oher has never shut down harrison as a matter fact I wanna say every time flacco got stripped sacked by the steelers is was on Mike Oher i'm willing to book that.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    Why are you looking back at his time with the Vikings. McKinnie started every game last season for the Ravens at LT, and played much better then Oher has played this season. There is no way that he is in worse shape this year then he was last year. What exactly do the Ravens have to lose by playing him now? Oher is stinking up the joint.
    I don't think McKinnie played better than Oher last year. The pass blocking stunk then, too, and outside of the first game against the Steelers, McKinnie was far from great at LT.

    Oher's played average this year. He hasn't played great. He's given up some big plays. But he's also done well at times.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    Jim Caldwell meet Ray Rice. Cam was fired partially for not using Rice enough then Jim completely forgets him last week. Gmen are giving up a lot of yards on the ground; feed Rice and the Oline will look better IMO
    The o-line looked like crap when they were running the ball. Even on Pierce's big run, Birk was shoved three yards deep in the backfield.




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