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    Quote Originally Posted by DonNMass View Post
    The one that should have sailed 10 feet over the receiver was caught and ran back 98 yards.
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    Re: Dropped passes

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Somehow though we are different and have way more drops than that! Idk how, but we do despite what research and tape says!!1111

    We have the WORST WR CORE IN THE LEAGUE THOUGH SOMEHOW!!!!
    because they terribly being under utilize, there is no other team i've watched that i don't see recievers running free like a female in tide commercial running in a field full of daisy. This is just ridiculous how we can get absolutely no separation.




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    Re: Dropped passes

    Sorry OP. I think that stat is really REALLY subjective and should be taken with a grain of salt.

    These guys are professionals who are paid to catch passes. I'm not of the mindset that they are going to catch EVERY pass thrown their way and frankly if a guy catches 100 passes in a season and drops 10 passes, so be it, but that doesn't excuse it either.

    Torrey has more drops than that (by my gauge of what a dropped pass is). So does Boldin.

    IMO, if the ball hits you in the hands and you drop it, it is a dropped pass. IMO, if you go up for a pass and can't hang onto it as you're going to the ground, it is a dropped pass. IMO, if a pass goes through your hands and hits you in the face mask or chest, it is a dropped pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Sorry OP. I think that stat is really REALLY subjective and should be taken with a grain of salt.

    These guys are professionals who are paid to catch passes. I'm not of the mindset that they are going to catch EVERY pass thrown their way and frankly if a guy catches 100 passes in a season and drops 10 passes, so be it, but that doesn't excuse it either.

    Torrey has more drops than that (by my gauge of what a dropped pass is). So does Boldin.

    IMO, if the ball hits you in the hands and you drop it, it is a dropped pass. IMO, if you go up for a pass and can't hang onto it as you're going to the ground, it is a dropped pass. IMO, if a pass goes through your hands and hits you in the face mask or chest, it is a dropped pass.
    So that only works for us but no one else right?




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    So that only works for us but no one else right?
    Huh?
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    Re: Dropped passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jsmoove View Post
    because they terribly being under utilize, there is no other team i've watched that i don't see recievers running free like a female in tide commercial running in a field full of daisy. This is just ridiculous how we can get absolutely no separation.
    ^^^This to me is THE MOST alarming and MOST important aspect of our offensive woes for the last 5 years.
    Receivers have come and gone. Veterans and raw rookies alike cannot gain separation running these few 60s offensive routes. Every team in the league KNOWS our receivers will make one cut or NO cuts at all (fly down the sideline), 98% of the time away from the middle of the field.
    Wide receivers are split wide on each side and must win their matchup by physically beating their opponent who knows where they are going. Not a huge upside for success.

    Now that Cam is gone, the obvious quick fixes should be implemented without causing too much disruption.
    Breaking out the multiple formations seen on opening day that ARE in the playbook.
    And running those routes that are in the playbook that haven't been seen since that Game One.
    Some double moves, rubs, crossing routes out of triplets, and stacks, and motion.

    These guys are professionals and should know their own playbook. Dust it off.




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    Re: Dropped passes

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Huh?
    So Boldin and Smith had those drops that weren't recorded, but no other team had those kind of throws go down as drops?




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    Re: Dropped passes

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    So Boldin and Smith had those drops that weren't recorded, but no other team had those kind of throws go down as drops?
    Umm. Maybe you didn't understand my post?

    I dont know what kind of method other media outlets use to gauge a dropped pass, but Torrey only having 4 (which is what the OP posted) is flat out wrong by MY calculations. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I played for a long time through college and I was always coached that if it hits your hands, you better catch it. So, from my perspective, Torrey only having 4 drops is incorrect because I have seen him drop more than that this year. Hell, I saw him drop 2 against the Steelers at home. One in the end zone.
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    Re: Dropped passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens44 View Post
    ^^^This to me is THE MOST alarming and MOST important aspect of our offensive woes for the last 5 years.
    Receivers have come and gone. Veterans and raw rookies alike cannot gain separation running these few 60s offensive routes. Every team in the league KNOWS our receivers will make one cut or NO cuts at all (fly down the sideline), 98% of the time away from the middle of the field.
    Wide receivers are split wide on each side and must win their matchup by physically beating their opponent who knows where they are going. Not a huge upside for success.

    Now that Cam is gone, the obvious quick fixes should be implemented without causing too much disruption.
    Breaking out the multiple formations seen on opening day that ARE in the playbook.
    And running those routes that are in the playbook that haven't been seen since that Game One.
    Some double moves, rubs, crossing routes out of triplets, and stacks, and motion.

    These guys are professionals and should know their own playbook. Dust it off.
    I aint seen a double move in a long time from any of these recievers. I like Caldwell called some things we haven't seen but this Oline is so shitty they cannot execute a screen at all, bobby williams is fat and out of shape he is not good at all, Oher has poor technique, Jah reid is a tackle not a gaurd and birk is stir fried and dried like Al Sharpton's hair do. No wonder Joe can't succeed under these conditions, thats why I am not ready to write him off just yet.




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    Re: Dropped passes

    Some people on the game thread from Sunday were bashing on Pitta over that "dropped pass" on 3rd and long in the first quarter. That was in no way, shape, or form a drop. Just because it hits your hands, doesn't mean you SHOULD catch it. You could stretch your arms to their farthest point and the ball hits you in the fingertips....just because it hits your fingertips doesn't mean it's a drop. Pitta COULD have caught it, but it would have been a well-above-average-borderline-great catch. I don't believe it was calculated as a drop, nor should it have been. However, he did have what I would consider a drop on the following drive, when he dropped an easy one along the sidelines. It was only going to be a 3 or 4 yard gain on 3rd and 17 (or something like that), so it wasn't a big deal.

    FYI, Lee Evans play in the end zone in Foxboro last year was not a drop either because the Pats defender contacted the football, which instantly removes it from the category of a drop. Houshmandzadeh's drop in Pittsburgh in the playoffs in Jan 2011 was a drop because it hit him in a "catch zone" with no duress. Fingertips are not a catch zone as I understand the scoring to be.

    Also, I think this notion that the Raven receivers aren't clutch with respect to drops is utter hogwash. We beat the Patriots and the Chargers this year on the backs of some great catches by Torrey Smith. We likely tie the Chargers if not for an incredible catch late in OT in San Diego. How much different would our season look if that was a tie versus a win? Pitta is money on almost anything thrown his way and Boldin has made some incredible catches late in games as well (last year in the regular season games vs. HOU and ARZ come to mind).

    I'd encourage those complaining about the Raven WRs being chokers to give me a handful of examples of Raven drops late in games that led to losses this year. I just don't see it.




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    From watching the drops this season, balls have hit Boldin and Pitta pretty square in the hands. Torrey's passes always seem to require some adjustment while either streaking down the field or leaping in the air to make a play on a ball (errant pass or not.) He has a much higher degree of difficulty when he's targeted than the other receivers/TE's. Why they can't target him on plays < 10 yards from LOS is beyond me, and borderline insane.




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    Quote Originally Posted by TTRaven View Post
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    That is acctually more than I thought he had to be honest. 4 drops is not bad considering the amount of targets.




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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtlesNBirds View Post
    From watching the drops this season, balls have hit Boldin and Pitta pretty square in the hands. Torrey's passes always seem to require some adjustment while either streaking down the field or leaping in the air to make a play on a ball (errant pass or not.) He has a much higher degree of difficulty when he's targeted than the other receivers/TE's. Why they can't target him on plays < 10 yards from LOS is beyond me, and borderline insane.
    They ran a short drag route to Torrey on the play before the pick six. He almost scored.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    They ran a short drag route to Torrey on the play before the pick six. He almost scored.


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    Exactly, and I almost hit my head on the ceiling when I thought they'd finally realized how to utilize him.




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    Re: Dropped passes

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    Some people on the game thread from Sunday were bashing on Pitta over that "dropped pass" on 3rd and long in the first quarter. That was in no way, shape, or form a drop. Just because it hits your hands, doesn't mean you SHOULD catch it. You could stretch your arms to their farthest point and the ball hits you in the fingertips....just because it hits your fingertips doesn't mean it's a drop. Pitta COULD have caught it, but it would have been a well-above-average-borderline-great catch. I don't believe it was calculated as a drop, nor should it have been. However, he did have what I would consider a drop on the following drive, when he dropped an easy one along the sidelines. It was only going to be a 3 or 4 yard gain on 3rd and 17 (or something like that), so it wasn't a big deal.

    FYI, Lee Evans play in the end zone in Foxboro last year was not a drop either because the Pats defender contacted the football, which instantly removes it from the category of a drop. Houshmandzadeh's drop in Pittsburgh in the playoffs in Jan 2011 was a drop because it hit him in a "catch zone" with no duress. Fingertips are not a catch zone as I understand the scoring to be.

    Also, I think this notion that the Raven receivers aren't clutch with respect to drops is utter hogwash. We beat the Patriots and the Chargers this year on the backs of some great catches by Torrey Smith. We likely tie the Chargers if not for an incredible catch late in OT in San Diego. How much different would our season look if that was a tie versus a win? Pitta is money on almost anything thrown his way and Boldin has made some incredible catches late in games as well (last year in the regular season games vs. HOU and ARZ come to mind).

    I'd encourage those complaining about the Raven WRs being chokers to give me a handful of examples of Raven drops late in games that led to losses this year. I just don't see it.
    Well, I see this as a problem.

    Why are we holding the QB to a standard that the other players aren't held to?

    This is what Flacco was tasked with on Sunday:
    Having to get rid of the ball as soon as he finished his drop or having to abort his full drop and throw into tight coverage while being pummeled.

    Flacco was playing 5 on 7 with a shorter stopwatch than most.

    If people are going to say Flacco sucks because he didn't play well under those conditions than I would expect them to hold all the other players to the same level of accountability. We had zero room for error Sunday and the few drops we had didn't help at all.




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