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    Re: Another 2011 Style Purge is Needed



    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    No thanks.

    The kid is a great collegiate player, but he's 6' and barely 200lbs. You'd be hard pressed to find any teams willing to use a high 1st round pick on Manziel.
    If the 2012 draft were redone today, 5'11'', 205lb Russell Wilson goes #8 to Miami. If Manziel continues to develop his skills and continues to dominate over the next two/three years, I see no reason to think he won't be a top 15 pick. The idea that a QB has to be 6'5'' to be successful has gone out the window these days with guys like Wilson, Brees, Griffin, etc.




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    Re: Another 2011 Style Purge is Needed

    Quote Originally Posted by esmd View Post
    Thanks for the info, I was thinking that could be the case. And I agree completely on the McGahee trade. GOTA and I were two of the few back on the old sun boards who didn't like that trade from day 1.
    That trade drove me crazy. Giving up draft picks and a lot of money for anyone doesn't often seem to work out. You get whacked with draft picks early and then with the balloon year of the salary late. You better be 100% certain before you make that kind of move.
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    Re: Another 2011 Style Purge is Needed

    Quote Originally Posted by Bhcforlife View Post
    If the 2012 draft were redone today, 5'11'', 205lb Russell Wilson goes #8 to Miami. If Manziel continues to develop his skills and continues to dominate over the next two/three years, I see no reason to think he won't be a top 15 pick. The idea that a QB has to be 6'5'' to be successful has gone out the window these days with guys like Wilson, Brees, Griffin, etc.
    Russell Wilson was, and is, a much more accomplished passer than Johnny Football.

    I hear you, but it isn't like NFL scouts were not aware of what Russell Wilson was able to do. That still didn't stop teams from passing on him 3 times over.

    And I can pretty much guarantee you that the Dolphins would STILL take Tannehill at #8. Not Wilson. The Dolphins hired Mike Sherman for a reason...they were targeting Tannehill (who played for Sherman at Texas A&M) all along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    We almost had a deal worked out with Carolina
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    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    Everyone can just stop talking about trading or releasing Ngata.

    From a Cap perspective, he's untradeable and unreleaseable.

    He got a $25M signing bonus in 2011 (prorated over 5 years) and a $10M option bonus last March (prorated over 4 years).

    Whether traded or released, the acceleration from those bonuses ($22.5M) would far outweigh what he'll count against the Cap in 2013 ($11.5M).
    Thanks for the calibration.
    I'm still gonna make the trade in Madden though!




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    Re: Another 2011 Style Purge is Needed

    Quote Originally Posted by Benny8444 View Post
    I also stand by my ground that Flacco would be tagged and traded before Ngata is.

    If the Ravens can get a 1st and 3rd for Flacco or 2 #1s from a desperate team I would send him packing and sign a stop gap vet.
    That would be a dream scenario. I just don't know if Flacco's going to be worth that if he's dealing with a QB market that includes Vick, Alex Smith, and Matt Flynn.




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    Re: Another 2011 Style Purge is Needed

    I think this "purge" has been in the making for a while. I think we will see a fundamental shift in the Ravens.

    From a player perspective, key veterans on both sides - Birk and Boldin and Lewis and Reed - are most likely going to depart. That means new leadership will have to take over on the OL, the WR corps, the LB corps, and the secondary. This is going to go from being their team to being Ray Rice and Torrey Smith and Terrell Suggs and Lardarius Webb's team. That's a huge identity change.

    Firing Cameron was the seal on the deal. That's going to lead to maybe a whole new offensive coaching staff.

    I expect Ozzie to actually trade up in the draft and try and grab a new cornerstone piece to usher in the next chapter. I really could see him trying to grab someone like Matni Te'o or Star Lotuleilei.




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    Re: Another 2011 Style Purge is Needed

    Ozzie gotta do something he may need to change his philosophy this draft from BPA to needs, the reason Ozzie did BPA for so long was because we had such good talent and good depth for many years so BPA was the method, the Ravens have had needs before drafts but Ozzie would do his thing then bring in a FA that has some gas left in the tank to fill that need because he had some money to work around. This offseason won't be the case we actually HAVE needs to be filled and not enough money to make FA deals.




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    Re: Another 2011 Style Purge is Needed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    Those guys are likely going to be salary cap casualties anyway, I wouldn't call it a purge. They have to tag Flacco or sign him to a fair deal. Leach, I think it depends on the new OC and their system.

    I thought you meant a real purge - the priest, the waterboy, everyone
    I think if Norv comes here next year, he will keep Leach. He's a modern day version of Lorenzo Neal.




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    Ozzie isn't going to change from BPA. "Needs" is part of BPA, but drafting solely on what you think you need is never really a good idea. The only times he's drafted on need has been QB (Boller and Flacco).

    You don't know what your needs are going to be next year, because you don't know what free agents will be available (and within your price range), what undrafted free agents you might find, or how your draft picks are going to pan out.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscull View Post

    I think if Norv comes here next year, he will keep Leach. He's a modern day version of Lorenzo Neal.
    Leach is great, but Norv didnt use a lot of FB sets in San Diego.

    I just wonder if they could get the same blocking production from a less costly player. Leach epitomizes Ravens football, but he is expensive.

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    Re: Another 2011 Style Purge is Needed

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Leach is great, but Norv didnt use a lot of FB sets in San Diego.

    I just wonder if they could get the same blocking production from a less costly player. Leach epitomizes Ravens football, but he is expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Leach is great, but Norv didnt use a lot of FB sets in San Diego.

    I just wonder if they could get the same blocking production from a less costly player. Leach epitomizes Ravens football, but he is expensive.

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    Leach is a tone-setter. He, more than any other player in my opinion, is the heart of the offense. That's worth a little bit more cash I think.
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    Re: Another 2011 Style Purge is Needed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenalytics View Post
    That would be a dream scenario. I just don't know if Flacco's going to be worth that if he's dealing with a QB market that includes Vick, Alex Smith, and Matt Flynn.
    and get who to come here and play QB? Hopefully not one of those three. Flacco isn't going anywhere next year
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    Re: Another 2011 Style Purge is Needed

    Quote Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85 View Post
    I think it's obvious at this point that this overly cautious front office strategy must be shelved over the next couple years so this team is able to compete long-term. This is stuff like trading down into the second round for quantity over quality, overpaying old guys with bloating contracts to the point that we can never make any aggressive moves in free agency. I'm not saying we need to become Daniel Snyder or Jerry Jones, but Ozzie/DeCosta or whoever need to stop tip-toeing through the off season instead of watching the Denvers, the New England's, the Houston's etc. get younger, faster, and better while we're anchored to bloated contracts for guys who are no longer producing. So what does this all mean? It means we need to make moves like...

    Release Ray Lewis-He's been great, the best of all time at his position, but it's time to move on. He's 37 and making like 4 million next year. We could use that dough elsewhere.
    Let Ed Reed test free agency/retire.-He's been great over the years, but this years, his game has come apart. He's constantly out of position on those big plays in the seams. His gambling is nothing, he's been doing this for years, but now he's slower and can't recover. He's also done a lot of bad guessing that's cost this team big. Don't even get me started on his tackling, it's been bad for at least 3 years, this year it's been taken to new levels of shittiness. Getting hurdled over twice this year? By Brent Celek and Knowshawn Moreno? C'mon!
    Matt Birk-This guy is "smart" and all, but he gets destroyed by Vince Wilfork, Casey Hampton and other dominant tackles and his advantage in technique can no longer cover up his physical limitations. The quarterback can't move up into the pocket when the center is on his ass every play.
    Boldin-I loved the move when they made it, but he's no worth the five or so million they're scheduled to pay him next year. We need to use that money to go after a true number 1 receiver like Dwayne Bowe, Greg Jennings, Danny Amendola or see what Doss can do in an expanded role.
    Bobbie Williams-This guy is old and just doesn't have it anymore. 'Nuff said.
    Oher-move this guy to guard, so he doesn't have to deal with speed rushers at all. He's a dominant run blocker but as we all can see, he's very mediocre in pass pro.
    With the savings from these moves, we can go get that left tackle from Kansas City or maybe Jake Long. Then we can go 100% defense and OL depth in this draft because the bottom line is this team is getting destroyed in the trenches to an extent that I've not seen in years.


    So lemme get this straight You want to release all these players for the sake of Joe Flacco? You do realize that sounds a little whacky don't you? How about this solution: fire john Harbaugh- the guy who treasures loyalty to his coaches above the welfare of his team. Seems a bit more logical wouldn't you say?




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