This team won't have a chance at competing if we pay Flacco big money

**pslholder96** · 12-19-2012, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

I wonder if Flacco will be willing to backload his contract, because down the line we'll be in much better cap shape than we will be for the next two years.

That would be a "team first" thing to do but most players and agents wouldn't agree to that. Flacco as durable as he's been could still be one injury away from never getting his hands on that money. It doesn't make good business sense.

**Corey** · 12-19-2012, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I think 6 years around 12-13 mill per year is going to be close to what the contract is. That's about $72-78 million in total.

Guaranteed money...maybe $33-35 mill.

Not gonna happen. 72 million is what Matt Ryan's rookie contract was worth.

**leachisabeast** · 12-19-2012, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by RavensRule21215

I wonder how much Cruz factored into that. Do the Ravens have anyone close to Cruz? (PLEASE don't say Smith, okay?) The answer is simple: NO, they do not.

Do the Giants have Ray Rice? No. Did the Giants have a top 5 defense last year? Not even close, they were in the bottom 10 in defense.

**RavensRule21215** · 12-19-2012, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

he's confused. he thinks that Flacco is in the top tier at his position like Suggs and Ngata are when that's so far from the truth. When has Flacco ever shown any consistent performance to be compared to a player like Tom Brady?

You sound like a spoiled little child who wants what he wants when he wants it. You think Joe should take less money for the "privilege" of staying here? Guess what? He's a grown man, and will make the decisions that are best for him and his family. The Ravens as they are currently constructed are less likely to go all that far over the next couple of years. I'd be willing to wager that Joe w/o the Ravens will go further than the Ravens w/o Joe. How's that?

**RavensRule21215** · 12-19-2012, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Do the Giants have Ray Rice? No. Did the Giants have a top 5 defense last year? Not even close, they were in the bottom 10 in defense.

You seem to have answers for everything. Great. Let's see how it all plays out.

**leachisabeast** · 12-19-2012, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by RavensRule21215

You sound like a spoiled little child who wants what he wants when he wants it. You think Joe should take less money for the "privilege" of staying here? Guess what? He's a grown man, and will make the decisions that are best for him and his family. The Ravens as they are currently constructed are less likely to go all that far over the next couple of years. I'd be willing to wager that Joe w/o the Ravens will go further than the Ravens w/o Joe. How's that?

So we should just pay a player for something that he's not, (a top 5 QB)?

**Corey** · 12-19-2012, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

There were several reports back in camp saying that he was looking for top 5 money, Joe Linta even said so him self. Kevin Bryne actually came out and answered a question of someones regarding Flacco's contract situation. He pretty much said that the offer is on the table, but he's asking for too much money.

Yeah, I know what his agent is aiming for. We don't know what the Ravens have put on the table. You said you'd be ok with a deal in the 72 million dollar range. The Ravens offer could be in the 90 million dollar range (which given recent QB contract history, I suspect it is). Would you be willing to have the Ravens pay that?

To me what Flacco's agent is aiming for is Drew Brees numbers.

**leachisabeast** · 12-19-2012, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Corey

Yeah, I know what his agent is aiming for. We don't know what the Ravens have put on the table. You said you'd be ok with a deal in the 72 million dollar range. The Ravens offer could be in the 90 million dollar range (which given recent QB contract history, I suspect it is). Would you be willing to have the Ravens pay that?

To me what Flacco's agent is aiming for is Drew Brees numbers.

Can you imagine how bad this team would be if we gave Flacco Drew Brees money? You can say good bye to back to back play offs.

**RavensRule21215** · 12-19-2012, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

So we should just pay a player for something that he's not, (a top 5 QB)?

Please stop putting words in my mouth. I've already stated I have no problem with the Ravens offering what they feel is the right amount. AND I have no problem with Joe not accepting that amount. It's a TWO WAY STREET. YOU want to lock Joe into taking something he feels is too low. I'm saying BOTH sides are a part of this negotiation, and if they can't come to an agreement, they can't come to an agreement, is all. Joe's not a slave; he has the right to choose whatever he wants. What I do believe is that Joe will fare better elsewhere than the Ravens will fare without Joe as the QB. I also believe the Ravens created this mess by not building a better offense around Joe that would have made him want to stay here, and by prioritizing other areas other than the offense for years.

**bmorecareful** · 12-19-2012, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

And you want to talk about terrible offensive lines? What about the Giants last year? They were playing David fucking Dielh at LT. Yet Manning elevated his play down the stretch and won his second SB.

And I think there was a feature on Pro Football Focus about how Manning actually played better under pressure than when he was NOT pressured last year. It's not the first time a QB has done that, Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers both play great under pressure, in part because when elite QBs face heavy pressure it usually means the defense is selling out and has holes on the back end. Elite QBs exploit that.

No matter how you feel about Flacco, over the last two years it's inarguable that he has simply crumbled whenever he's faced pressure, and that's going to be a big obstacle to him breaking into another level. The vast majority of NFL QBs look great when given plenty of time in the pocket, so what he does from a dirty pocket is what has the chance to separate him from the pack. So far it's not been pretty, although he was actually better under pressure in 09 and 10.

**RavensRule21215** · 12-19-2012, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Can you imagine how bad this team would be if we gave Flacco Drew Brees money? You can say good bye to back to back play offs.

What you seem to fail to recognize is how bad this team will be without Joe. Maybe you've conveniently forgotten how horrible this offense was BEFORE Joe got here. I haven't.

**leachisabeast** · 12-19-2012, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by RavensRule21215

Please stop putting words in my mouth. I've already stated I have no problem with the Ravens offering what they feel is the right amount. AND I have no problem with Joe not accepting that amount. It's a TWO WAY STREET. YOU want to lock Joe into taking something he feels is too low. I'm saying BOTH sides are a part of this negotiation, and if they can't come to an agreement, they can't come to an agreement, is all. Joe's not a slave; he has the right to choose whatever he wants. What I do believe is that Joe will fare better elsewhere than the Ravens will fare without Joe as the QB. I also believe the Ravens created this mess by not building a better offense around Joe that would have made him want to stay here, and by prioritizing other areas other than the offense for years.

So Flacco is going to get paid a ton of money that is clearly more than he is worth, and is going to look like an all pro on the Buffalo Bills? Ok.