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    Re: This team won't have a chance at competing if we pay Flacco big money



    If they are going to draft a QB in the 3rd or 4th rounds I'd much rather see them go after Aaron Murray or Zach Dyssert.
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    Re: This team won't have a chance at competing if we pay Flacco big money

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    If they are going to draft a QB in the 3rd or 4th rounds I'd much rather see them go after Aaron Murray or Zach Dyssert.
    I think they'll go much higher than Bray; especially Murray.
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    Re: This team won't have a chance at competing if we pay Flacco big money

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    If they are going to draft a QB in the 3rd or 4th rounds I'd much rather see them go after Aaron Murray or Zach Dyssert.
    How many times do we need to get burned by strong-armed, physically impressive QBs who look great in shorts but wilt under pressure?

    The Ravens' next QB should be a smart, tough, football-smart competitor. Decent arm, decent size, but doesn't need to be able to throw the ball 90 yards in the air. Totally agree with you and would take Murray or Dysert over Bray all day and all night.




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    Re: This team won't have a chance at competing if we pay Flacco big money

    The team doesn't have a good enough track record of developing QB's to go for a project guy in the rounds where they could have picked a player with more immediate impact.




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    Re: This team won't have a chance at competing if we pay Flacco big money

    wait... I haven't been following this thread closely.

    Are there peopel that ACTUALLY think that Alex Smith has been better recently then Flacco? WOW. I thoguth there was only one loon ont he other board, who's been trumpeting this pioint for days with nothing but cherry picked efficiency stats and no mention of Cam/Flacco's propensity to go deep. Alex Smith is the most risk averse QB in football by a LONGSHOT. That is the ONLY reason that pathetic BUST of a QB matured into an accpetable starter in what would be Flacco's next year.




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    Re: This team won't have a chance at competing if we pay Flacco big money

    Quote Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds View Post
    The team doesn't have a good enough track record of developing QB's to go for a project guy in the rounds where they could have picked a player with more immediate impact.
    I agree with you in one sense, but that mentality is also why this team is stuck with Joe Flacco at QB and no other options. They've failed in the past to develop QBs but they also failed in the past to develop WRs, and both Smith and Doss look like they're going to pan out. You have to start trying sometime, now's the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    wait... I haven't been following this thread closely.

    Are there peopel that ACTUALLY think that Alex Smith has been better recently then Flacco? WOW. I thoguth there was only one loon ont he other board, who's been trumpeting this pioint for days with nothing but cherry picked efficiency stats and no mention of Cam/Flacco's propensity to go deep. Alex Smith is the most risk averse QB in football by a LONGSHOT. That is the ONLY reason that pathetic BUST of a QB matured into an accpetable starter in what would be Flacco's next year.
    Yeah, Alex Smith is trash. Jim Harbaugh designed his entire system around making it impossible for Alex Smith to screw up. That's why he has so many sacks--the kid has been coached to go through no more than two reads and if the checkdown isn't there, take a sack. Alex Smith's 100+ QB rating is an incredible fraud.

    Definitely don't think the Ravens should sign Smith. Flacco might wilt under pressure just as bad as Smith, but at least he can make every throw on the field, which Smith can't.




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    Re: This team won't have a chance at competing if we pay Flacco big money

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I agree with you in one sense, but that mentality is also why this team is stuck with Joe Flacco at QB and no other options. They've failed in the past to develop QBs but they also failed in the past to develop WRs, and both Smith and Doss look like they're going to pan out. You have to start trying sometime, now's the time.
    Out of the 5 years that Flacco has been year, its only been within the last few weeks that the thought of being "stuck" with him was cause for concern so I can't really blame the FO for that oversight.




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    Re: This team won't have a chance at competing if we pay Flacco big money

    Quote Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds View Post
    Out of the 5 years that Flacco has been year, its only been within the last few weeks that the thought of being "stuck" with him was cause for concern so I can't really blame the FO for that oversight.
    It's not so much that they're "stuck" with him, poor choice of words on my part, but rather that they have absolutely no credible backup on the roster and that's bad for a NUMBER of reasons. In 2009 Flacco got hurt against Minnesota and they wanted to let him sit and rest, but they didn't think Troy Smith could play at all. In 2010 the Ravens were going to bench Flacco for Marc Bulger at halftime of the Atlanta game due to performance, but they didn't think Flacco could handle that mentally so they let him return and he proceeded to carve Atlanta up (should have won that game). The threat of benching might have motivated him to get out there and try a little harder. Obviously now they're at the end of his contract and all they have is Tyrod Taylor, so they have no negotiating leverage.

    Having at least an NFL-caliber backup (which Tyrod is not) would give them a lot more flexibility to do things. Philadelphia, New England, and Green Bay have all drafted guys they've developed that they were either able to turn into good trade bait (Kolb, Cassel, Flynn) or actual starting prospects when their regular QB went down or was ineffective (Foles). We just never went down that road.




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    Re: This team won't have a chance at competing if we pay Flacco big money

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Matt Ryan has it easy down in Atlanta, he's got a QB paradise. I'm not sure if there is any QB that has it better than him. Two amazing athletes to throw to, a HOF TE, a very good group of backs, solid Oline, a solid defense, and a nice warm dome to play in. On top of all that, the defenses in his division are about as soft as you can get.

    But hey, Matt Ryan will never win a SB, and Flacco will never become elite, you know why? The world is gonna end soon, supposedly lol.

    Youre right on again especially about the world-lol.

    Hey - Atlanta fans are pissed off at Ryan more than Flacco fans up here because he keeps losing in the POs.

    That dome might be a curse. The Dolts only won 1 SB with that dome. Even Jimmy expected to win a couple more.




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    Re: This team won't have a chance at competing if we pay Flacco big money

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    According to all the conspiracy loonies it's supposed to be later today, so here I am sat here doing nothing on my night shift scrolling through my facebook feed reading all this crap about the end of the world lol. Still, I do remember a lot more people being worried about Y2K haha.
    It was supposed to happen on the 12th.
    Y'know, on 12-12-12?

    So, now the silly conspiracy loonies have switched it to the 21st?
    It's a good thing there aren't 13 months or they'd be having a field day with 13-13-13.




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    Re: This team won't have a chance at competing if we pay Flacco big money

    I just hope the front office looks at he situation dispassionately and pays Flacco for what he is: a #10-20 QB in the NFL. He's had one season with a QB rating in the top 10 (7th in 2010) . Every other year, he's been lower than 10th: 22nd in 2008, 13th in 2009, 18th in 2011, 14th this season. That's an average rank of 14.8 in QB rating.

    So he's an every-so-slightly above average starting QB. Pay him accordingly, and the team can absolutely win with him. Last season is evidence of that, IMO.




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    Re: This team won't have a chance at competing if we pay Flacco big money

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizerooskie View Post
    I just hope the front office looks at he situation dispassionately and pays Flacco for what he is: a #10-20 QB in the NFL. He's had one season with a QB rating in the top 10 (7th in 2010) . Every other year, he's been lower than 10th: 22nd in 2008, 13th in 2009, 18th in 2011, 14th this season. That's an average rank of 14.8 in QB rating.

    So he's an every-so-slightly above average starting QB. Pay him accordingly, and the team can absolutely win with him. Last season is evidence of that, IMO.
    If they look at it dispassionately, they'll end up paying him between 5-10 money, leaning towards the 5. Before the contract is half up he'll be in that 10-20 range regardless of how well he's playing.

    The size of contracts is unlikely to go down.

    In this, I have faith in Ozzie. He's done a pretty good job of paying players while still being able to field a team that is in contention every year.




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    Re: This team won't have a chance at competing if we pay Flacco big money

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    The team has a chance at competing with an average QB or with a game manager at QB if we can get back to playing elite defense, and can pound the ball all day behind an elite Oline. We won't have the luxury of that while giving Flacco big money. Flacco has shown that he's no more than slightly above game manager status this year.
    So, we would still have to darn near rework the team for what you are suggesting to happen.
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    Re: This team won't have a chance at competing if we pay Flacco big money

    Quote Originally Posted by trailhiker85 View Post
    This has to be my favorite line of the day.

    It was like his anger wouldn't allow him to find a word that verbalized its intensity. lol.
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    Re: This team won't have a chance at competing if we pay Flacco big money

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    That was going to be my exact response.
    I mean.....HELLO!!! lololol.
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