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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go



    Quote Originally Posted by Ngata Da Vida View Post
    Bill Cowher!
    He said "waiting for a job"

    I don't think Cowher, who has been offered jobs already, is waiting for a coaching gig anymore. I think he likes the studio lifestyle.
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    The successful teams mostly have stability at HC and I don't see that changing in Baltimore
    Especially after the injuries and still making post season
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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    Belichick: 16 years HC experience

    Harbaugh: 5 years HC experience

    Infact Belichick didn't win his first superbowl until year 5. I am just saying.
    He was 5-11 in his 5th year, capping a 36-44 records over his first five years.

    He then opened his New England tenure with another 5-11 record. In his SIXTH season as HC.

    So here is Belichick's first SIX SEASONS -- ONE PLAYOFF WIN, and a 41-55 record.

    It was not until his 7th season that the Pats won the SB.

    Yet an ridiculously large chunk of our "fanbase" seems to think that Harbaugh is garbage and will never succeed at Belichick's level.

    I have no earthly idea how a coach who is currently sporting a 53-24 record through the first five seasons (minus two games) with five (and counting) playoff wins is being trashed while another coach who was 41-55 with one playoff win at the same stage of his career is the greatest thing ever.

    From what I see, and by any objective measure, Harbaugh is having one of the best opening tenures of any NFL coach -- and a far better first 5 seasons than Belichick.




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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    Quote Originally Posted by NC Raven View Post
    He was 5-11 in his 5th year, capping a 36-44 records over his first five years.

    He then opened his New England tenure with another 5-11 record. In his SIXTH season as HC.

    So here is Belichick's first SIX SEASONS -- ONE PLAYOFF WIN, and a 41-55 record.

    It was not until his 7th season that the Pats won the SB.

    Yet an ridiculously large chunk of our "fanbase" seems to think that Harbaugh is garbage and will never succeed at Belichick's level.

    I have no earthly idea how a coach who is currently sporting a 53-24 record through the first five seasons (minus two games) with five (and counting) playoff wins is being trashed while another coach who was 41-55 with one playoff win at the same stage of his career is the greatest thing ever.

    From what I see, and by any objective measure, Harbaugh is having one of the best opening tenures of any NFL coach -- and a far better first 5 seasons than Belichick.
    My problem isn't people saying that Belichick is a better coach because he is the better coach. My problem is with people saying Harbaugh will never win a Superbowl or Harbaugh will never do this or never do that. How do you know? If you look at Belichick's track record to start his career, you could have said the same things about him and no one would have questioned it but it didn't turn out that way. Why isn't a guy with a far better early track record getting the benefit of the doubt?




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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    The arguments about how Bilicheck didn't become a SB winning coach over night and is an example of how JH can become great after more time are the same arguments as to how Flacco can become great with more time because Brady didn't become a great statistical QB until his fifth year in the league.
    No, it's an example of how not to judge a book by it's cover. If Belichick had been judged off of his early results, he would have never gotten another HC job because he simply wasn't very good. No one knows how the rest of Harbaugh's career will turn out. Why even bother making silly proclamations about his future? If the Ravens win the Superbowl this season, we will look like the dumbest fanbase in the NFL because of threads like this.




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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    He said "waiting for a job"

    I don't think Cowher, who has been offered jobs already, is waiting for a coaching gig anymore. I think he likes the studio lifestyle.
    Agreed. I find the clamoring for Gruden to be similarly unrealistic.




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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    Quote Originally Posted by Ngata Da Vida View Post
    Agreed. I find the clamoring for Gruden to be similarly unrealistic.
    And Billick
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    No one is trying to say Harbaugh is or will be better than Belichick. The point is everyone starts somewhere. Belichick didn't walk into the league and become a Superbowl winning coach right away. He took his lumps first, a lot of them. Just like Harbaugh is doing now. If you would have told people that Belichick would end up being one of the best coaches in the NFL nearly 20 years later, Cleveland fans would have laughed you out of the fucking stadium. We don't know where Harbaugh's career is going. To pretend to know is simply silly.
    Belichick was an accomplished DC before becaming a HC. Harbaugh isn't closed to Belichick's resume.




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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

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    And Billick
    lets see... 80 hours a week and constant pressure and critisim or 20 hours a week, steak dinners, wine, travel and watching film? no brainer
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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenray View Post
    Belichick was an accomplished DC before becaming a HC. Harbaugh isn't closed to Belichick's resume.
    MEANINGLESS in terms of their performances as head coaches. Harbaugh has, through year 5, outperformed Belichick through year 5.

    You're basically arguing that even though Ray Rice has outperformed Felix Jones years 1-5, Jones is the better player because he was a much more successful collegiate athlete.
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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

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    MEANINGLESS in terms of their performances as head coaches. Harbaugh has, through year 5, outperformed Belichick through year 5.

    You're basically arguing that even though Ray Rice has outperformed Felix Jones years 1-5, Jones is the better player because he was a much more successful collegiate athlete.
    When Bisciotti was asked what he thought was the reason for the Ravens success over the past 5 seasons, he said "Joe Flacco". He did not mention Harbaugh. Do you believe that Harbaugh is a major reason for the Ravens success, or has just been very fortunate to land in a good situation?




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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    When Bisciotti was asked what he thought was the reason for the Ravens success over the past 5 seasons, he said "Joe Flacco". He did not mention Harbaugh. Do you believe that Harbaugh is a major reason for the Ravens success, or has just been very fortunate to land in a good situation?
    I don't think any roster in the NFL has so much talent that they can be consistently successful with a bad or even mediocre coach. Similarly I don't think there are any coaches out there who can consistently win with bad or even mediocre talent. The fact that we win consistently tells me that both of them are big pieces of our winning. Trying to make it as binary as "Flacco does it" or "The defense does it" or "Harbaugh does it" is like asking if a car starts because of the key or the gasoline, it not only ignores that both are needed, but it simplifies the process to the point of absurdity.

    ETA: Also, confusing an owner providing a sound bite praising the biggest pending free agent in team history with actual analysis of an analysis of who deserves credit for team success is a great way to inject meaningless fluff into a discussion.
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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    Quote Originally Posted by Bhcforlife View Post
    If this is true, and it really sounds like what we all thought, this is not good. Regardless of how badly Cameron needed to go, you can't let the inmates run the asylum. That's one reason Billick got fired and why Rex wasn't hired...
    That doesn't make any sense. Obviously the inmates WEREN'T running the "asylum" because Harbaugh didn't fire him until Bisciotti told him to. As for the points scored vs Denver. Really?? A shit storm of a perfect "What can go wrong does go wrong" game against a top defense in the league and u want to make comparisons- in a game where we were without Yanda and Torrey Smith left with a concussion?? Come on man.
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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    lets see... 80 hours a week and constant pressure and critisim or 20 hours a week, steak dinners, wine, travel and watching film? no brainer
    And he is damn good at it, too.




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