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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go



    I have a tremendous amount of respect for the Raven's organization and what they have been able to accomplish. But.....

    How bad did it have to be for the team to fire Cameron with 3 games left and the playoffs? And to trade him for a guy that hasn't called plays or truly designed an offense since Wake Forest in the Nineties. Where he had a 29% winning percentage over 7 seasons.

    I would be shocked silly if Caldwell is the OC next year for you guys. I could see Norv Turner. He's a better version of Cam Cameron.




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    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post
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    The same Bryan Mattison who is still in the NFL and signed with the Chiefs? So I wonder which coach on the Chief's payroll is giving him a roster spot because of his daddy?
    Im not talking about the Chiefs and really they need any big body they can get. Don't forget, Bryan Matteson was also with the Rams for a season or so.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRob View Post
    I have a tremendous amount of respect for the Raven's organization and what they have been able to accomplish. But.....

    How bad did it have to be for the team to fire Cameron with 3 games left and the playoffs? And to trade him for a guy that hasn't called plays or truly designed an offense since Wake Forest in the Nineties. Where he had a 29% winning percentage over 7 seasons.

    I would be shocked silly if Caldwell is the OC next year for you guys. I could see Norv Turner. He's a better version of Cam Cameron.
    That's my thinking.

    People say "the timing is so bizarre, with just a few weeks left in the season."

    News flash: The Ravens organization *knows* the timing is bizarre. They did it anyway. I am sure this is not a decision they took lightly.
    Festivus

    His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.




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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    I've really grown to dislike Harbaugh after this season, reading this just makes me even more mad.




  5. #20

    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    As I said the move was pushed for AFTER the win in Pittsburgh. Harbs is on the mega hot seat because he had no control over his coach, moreso than anything. Harbs as it stands now will be let go after the season, depending on the season results. Harbs for 3 years in a row pleaded to keep Cam because of the thier long personel freindship. Cameron hired Harbaugh for his first coaching job, and then Harbs hired Cam as OC. Personal interests got in the way of the team goal, thus not a proper way of handling corporate structure as Biscuit is accustomed too. That will be Harbs POSSIBLE undoing.




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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    Bye bye Harbaugh nice knowing you.

    Time to hire a real coach. Bisciotti unload the brinks truck for Sean Payton.




  7. #22

    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    Quote Originally Posted by festivus View Post
    That's my thinking.

    People say "the timing is so bizarre, with just a few weeks left in the season."

    News flash: The Ravens organization *knows* the timing is bizarre. They did it anyway. I am sure this is not a decision they took lightly.
    It does know what it was doing, the move was suppossed to be made after the Steeler game in Pittsburgh, but Harbs persuaded him not to change, then the offense got worse and then Harbaugh wanted different Oline coverage packages implemented with leads and Cam outwardly refused and the Ravens turned it over with leads to Pitt and Wash and then was fired for not taking orders, essentially.




  8. #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    As I said the move was pushed for AFTER the win in Pittsburgh. Harbs is on the mega hot seat because he had no control over his coach, moreso than anything. Harbs as it stands now will be let go after the season, depending on the season results. Harbs for 3 years in a row pleaded to keep Cam because of the thier long personel freindship. Cameron hired Harbaugh for his first coaching job, and then Harbs hired Cam as OC. Personal interests got in the way of the team goal, thus not a proper way of handling corporate structure as Biscuit is accustomed too. That will be Harbs POSSIBLE undoing.
    I don't believe this is JH's last year. The play calling has been called suspect by many. Even so, if the plays that were called were executed properly, maybe the Ravens win at least one of the games against Pitt or DC or even a possibility of winning both and last week's game would be not such a big deal. The Ravens are in the playoffs but if they don't win one of the next two games, they could be a wildcard road team. And Joe on the road would be interesting!




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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    Quote Originally Posted by Loco Ravens Fan View Post
    Im not talking about the Chiefs and really they need any big body they can get. Don't forget, Bryan Matteson was also with the Rams for a season or so.
    So you have two teams thinking that the guy is NFL quality. It only makes my point further. If Matteson really sucked and wasn't NFL quality and was only on the team because of his dad, NO ONE would have picked him up when he was cut.

    Instead two teams have given him NFL contracts. Maybe it's because he can actually play a little bit.




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    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post
    So you have two teams thinking that the guy is NFL quality. It only makes my point further. If Matteson really sucked and wasn't NFL quality and was only on the team because of his dad, NO ONE would have picked him up when he was cut.

    Instead two teams have given him NFL contracts. Maybe it's because he can actually play a little bit.
    Ha ha you must be related to the Mattesons! Or maybe nepotism runs throughout the NFL!
    Last edited by Loco Ravens Fan; 12-18-2012 at 02:25 PM.




  11. #26

    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    Harbaugh thought Cameron gave him the best chance to win with the players Ozzie gave him.
    Flacco thought otherwise.
    With a big decision coming this off-season, Bisciotti wanted to get an idea of who was right.
    Good chance neither Flacco or Caldwell is here next season, but we will have to re-assess in a few weeks.
    Way Down South in New Orleans




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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    Quote Originally Posted by Loco Ravens Fan View Post
    I don't believe this is JH's last year. The play calling has been called suspect by many. Even so, if the plays that were called were executed properly, maybe the Ravens win at least one of the games against Pitt or DC or even a possibility of winning both and last week's game would be not such a big deal. The Ravens are in the playoffs but if they don't win one of the next two games, they could be a wildcard road team. And Joe on the road would be interesting!
    The Ravens if they executed proper pass protection schemes are likely 11-3 not playing to get in the playoffs still. If your coaches wont listen to you, who will? Biscuit put a lot of time and $ in this team, inwardly many blame JH for making Cundiffs kick more stressfull than it needed to be. Then showing a penchant for freindship over team goals is football treason, especially when NO ONE was happy with Cameron, NO ONE.




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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    At this point, I'm honestly done with JH.




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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    At this point, I'm honestly done with JH.
    Agreed. I don't want a head coach that keeps coaches and/or players around because they are BFF's.




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    Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    At this point, I'm honestly done with JH.
    I think I have reached that point too. Since he has 2 more years on his contract, I guess he'll be back, unless Stevie is really pissed.




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