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    Re: A thought I had...



    Quote Originally Posted by webbrick2007 View Post
    People are talking about Harbaugh losing the locker room?

    How about Flacco losing the offense?

    Do you see the body language of the offensive players, their expressions on the sideline. Flacco is not their leader.. they are not charging into battle with him. Boldin has stopped running routes because he is so tired of Flacco not being able to hit spots.

    On the first series of the game Flacco fumbles
    On the second series he misses a WIDE open Tandon Doss on third down.

    He is constantly late high and behind his receivers

    You wonder why the Ravens don't run quick slants and crossing patterns?

    Flacco isn't accurate enough to make the throws with the necessary consistency.

    So now Flacco got Cameron fired.

    Boller got Cavanaugh, Fossil, and I can't remember who else fired.

    Boller was a bad college QB who Ozzie saw something in. (outsmarted himself)

    Flacco is a division II QB who Ozzie saw something in. (outsmarted himself)
    Think you had a good response until the very end. Flacco has been the NFL for five years now.

    That said, I'm not sure how you fork over a big contract to him this offseason? I'm not saying the Ravens should let him hit the market and start from scratch at Qb. But the Ravens have seemed to paint themselves in a corner here.




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    Re: A thought I had...

    For a large portion of his career, Flacco's #1 WR has been age 30+.

    He has never had the luxury of a Calvin Johnson or a Hakeem Nicks.

    See how "elite" Stafford would be without CJ.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    For a large portion of his career, Flacco's #1 WR has been age 30+.

    He has never had the luxury of a Calvin Johnson or a Hakeem Nicks.

    See how "elite" Stafford would be without CJ.
    Stafford hasnt been all that great this year either.

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    Re: A thought I had...

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Stafford hasnt been all that great this year either.

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    exactly my point.

    Look up Stafford's completion %-age - it isn't so good. He just lost me my fantasy game today, and has been inconsistent all year.




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    I'm hoping Flacco holds out next year for the highest offer, that's what the NFL is all about. Pretty sure some other team will offer him a nice amount to play for them.. That way we can see how well he plays in a different setting. Where ever he plays, I'll be cheering for him. The fans in Baltimore who think they know whats up are all mouth.




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    I really don't see Flacco signing a short deal. Pretty rare thing to see a young, established QB sign a deal for less than 5 or 6 years... not much incentive for Flacco to go for a 3 year deal instead. The team would surely prefer it, of course.

    If Flacco gets a deal for 3 years, 39 million with 20 guaranteed from us, he'll probably get 5 years, 65 million with 35 guaranteed from Arizona, Kansas City, or Jacksonville. As a player, it's a no-brainer to take the deal that offers more financial security. So, I think you can forget about retaining Flacco on any kind of "prove it" deal.




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    After the Philly game I pointed some this this out, kind of cut Cameron a little slack. But today Flacco under-performed even my own expectations.....that pick 6 was inexcusable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    For a large portion of his career, Flacco's #1 WR has been age 30+.

    He has never had the luxury of a Calvin Johnson or a Hakeem Nicks.

    See how "elite" Stafford would be without CJ.
    So...I guess we should expect and accept what we are getting because he doesn't have an elite WR?

    Hell in some threads, some posters are really pissed about the prospect of us letting Boldin walk, then on the other hand, our WR's aren't that good.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I was wondering where you were PP. As I initiated this thread I was curious how long before you'd post in it.

    I don't dislike Flacco to the magnitude of your feelings towards him though. I'm not ready to say that his ship has sailed.

    However, I believe now that Flacco just really needs a good supporting cast offensively. The reality is, MOST QB's in the NFL need a good supporting cast around them. Hell, even some of the best QB performances of all time have come from teams with outstanding OL play.

    I really think that if they fix the OL this off-season and can get the ground game going, then Flacco will be good to go.

    I agree, I don't see why Flacco needing a decent supporting cast is something that should be held against him, along with his own deficiencies having no time to throw and a stagnant running game is a terrible combination.
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    Re: A thought I had...

    Quote Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds View Post
    I agree, I don't see why Flacco needing a decent supporting cast is something that should be held against him, along with his own deficiencies having no time to throw and a stagnant running game is a terrible combination.
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    It wouldn't, if he wasn't demanding the kind of money that will require him to be able to perform without a great supporting cast.




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    Re: A thought I had...

    I can not let the FO get off too easily.

    We lost/gave up JJ, Redding, and -especially -- Grubbs. "Right man, right price," Oz says? Well, too often recently, ANY price was the RIGHT price, because we had NO solid "next man up." Now, we are at the mercy of a C/C+ QB who will demand B+/A money BECAUSE THE FO HAS NO CONTINGENCY PLAN!

    To step in for Grubbs we had . . . ? And for Flacco? LOL

    We need to cut those who've been around too long -- Ray, Ed, and (maybe) Oz?




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    Quote Originally Posted by houstonravensfan View Post
    I can not let the FO get off too easily.

    We lost/gave up JJ, Redding, and -especially -- Grubbs. "Right man, right price," Oz says? Well, too often recently, ANY price was the RIGHT price, because we had NO solid "next man up." Now, we are at the mercy of a C/C+ QB who will demand B+/A money BECAUSE THE FO HAS NO CONTINGENCY PLAN!

    To step in for Grubbs we had . . . ? And for Flacco? LOL

    We need to cut those who've been around too long -- Ray, Ed, and (maybe) Oz?
    Just because losing a player puts you in a position of need doesn't mean you go out and over pay.
    Grubbs was good but not worth his contract to us, and had we signed JJ and Redding you'd be complaining about overpaying for old players next year.

    Really? No contingency plan? And you know this how?
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    Re: A thought I had...

    Quote Originally Posted by houstonravensfan View Post
    I can not let the FO get off too easily.

    We lost/gave up JJ, Redding, and -especially -- Grubbs. "Right man, right price," Oz says? Well, too often recently, ANY price was the RIGHT price, because we had NO solid "next man up." Now, we are at the mercy of a C/C+ QB who will demand B+/A money BECAUSE THE FO HAS NO CONTINGENCY PLAN!

    To step in for Grubbs we had . . . ? And for Flacco? LOL

    We need to cut those who've been around too long -- Ray, Ed, and (maybe) Oz?
    I think the FO is due its share of criticism, but in all fairness, they did have a contingency plan for losing Grubbs: KO. The FO assumed, not unreasonably, that McKinnie would come into camp at weight & in shape, partly to qualify for the bonuses built into his contract but also because he (should have) understood that this year he'd be playing for his next (last) contract & as a man with money woes it would behoove him to play well to get a big paycheck. Bobby Williams would start at LG while KO was being coached up & a few games into the season he'd take over.

    But McKinnie shows up with (allegedly) all the signs of a head case, they put Oher at LT & then decide that well, maybe they should use the year to give Oher an extended audition there, so they reshuffle the line completely. Jah Reid's next guy up at RT--he gets hurt & misses most of TC, so KO goes in instead; Bobby Williams gets hurt, so Harewood starts at LG...& the part of the offense that needs the most unit cohesion is in chaos....




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    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    Somehow the OL, the WR, the coaches get slammed (and deservedly so) yet the QB somehow continues to receive excuses.
    I'm still trying to find the forum in which this is the majority opinion. Because right now I see the QB getting all the blame for everything going wrong with this offense. Let's see, so far we have a thread about trading for Kurt Cousins, others that want to draft a new QB, get Alex Smith or Matt Flynn and wants to let Flacco walk. So I'm curious how Flacco is getting excuses. Please, on a day like today especially you can more or less swap "Joe Flacco" for "Kyle Boller", and we're having the same discussions minus nutjob Scout posters with three letter names or claims to have watched football for the last 60 years.

    The black/white positions people are taking on the offense are puzzling, considering most reasonable people would seem to think an offense works as a unit. But to some here, if we just understand that Flacco is average, or sucks, or can never get the team in a position to get to a super bowl, or trade him for the Redskins backup QB, somehow the offense will magically learn how to run block and Ray Rice will be unstoppable, our receiving core will never drop a pass, and the QB will never get hit/sacked or throw a pick because Flacco is just an average guy that rode on everyone else's back to get his records and stats.

    No one is absolving Flacco's play today. It was bad. But I'm not putting the entire offensive woes on him, nor am I going to ignore that a good percentage of his play also comes from the OL protection he gets (or doesn't get), or the fact that when he puts the ball in receiver's hands they drop it.




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    Re: A thought I had...

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    I'm still trying to find the forum in which this is the majority opinion. Because right now I see the QB getting all the blame for everything going wrong with this offense. Let's see, so far we have a thread about trading for Kurt Cousins, others that want to draft a new QB, get Alex Smith or Matt Flynn and wants to let Flacco walk. So I'm curious how Flacco is getting excuses. Please, on a day like today especially you can more or less swap "Joe Flacco" for "Kyle Boller", and we're having the same discussions minus nutjob Scout posters with three letter names or claims to have watched football for the last 60 years.
    You have to understand: not accepting the claims that Flacco is a horrible QB that the Ravens should dump immediately is making excuses for his play.

    He played poorly. So did the rest of the offense. In flashes, most of them made some good plays. Some of Flacco's plays were brilliant. Others were ugly. The interception was an errant pass. If he'd put more air under it and led Boldin, it probably would have scored a touchdown. It wouldn't have mattered that he'd focused on Boldin the whole way. The fumble was also inexcusable. He'd gained the first down. He's not a running back. He should have gone down as soon as he was sure he'd made the marker. It's his job to know how much he needs.

    Before he was sacked for the first time, however, Flacco had been hurried 15 times and hit 8, if I recall the stat line they flashed on the screen in the second half correctly. Caldwell was calling quicker-developing plays, but in one way or another the offense did a poor job of executing in the first half. If it wasn't Flacco missing his target, it was Pitta dropping a ball, or Smith, or a receiver running a poor route, or the line and Rice making a screen too obvious. Penalties also hurt drives.




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