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    Im on my phone otherwise id link the huffington post article i just read.

    Obama asked his cabinet to come up with gun violence solutions. I believed placed, although may have been who they interviewed, 3 nra member democrats who are pushing for only large magazine restrictions rather than AR bans like some lady from cali is calling for. If all that comes from this as far as restrictions goes is you can only have 15 bullets instead of 30 in your AR, id consider that a win. You can do the same with two clips of 15, so it would literally be nearly no change, which with even some conservatives calling for some sort of action, thats pretty minimal. I still hope something more happens as far as protection (guards), but honestly i cant see a reason for 30 bullets at once anyway. Thats not for protection, thats not for hunting, thats because its fun to pump off 30 rounds.

    ... or Zombies.

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    Just another futile attempt by folks who know nothing about guns banning something that will not make one difference just to show they've done something.

    All the while, responsible gun owners are the ones who suffer.

    When this country is ready to be honest about guns, then I'll be impressed. Until then, my monthly donations to the NRA continue.
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    Re: DC is Now the One Lone Area of the Country ....

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    There was a guy on cbs news this morning talking about the aurora shooting and he said of the 7 movie theaters around where he lived, only one had a ban on weapons and that was the one the shooter chose. Another interesting tidbit was it wasnt even the closest theater to his house.

    Now, I dont believe he was insinuating that the aurora shooter chose this place solely because it was a weapons-free zone, but it does bring up some interesting talking points.

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    He may not be insinuating that, but it's almost always the case that mass-shootings take place where guns are banned. (See the link I posted above)

    Since even if you outlawed the ownership of guns, everyone has agreed that wouldn't stop the bad guys from getting them, which of these makes more sense?



    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Im on my phone otherwise id link the huffington post article i just read.

    Obama asked his cabinet to come up with gun violence solutions. I believed placed, although may have been who they interviewed, 3 nra member democrats who are pushing for only large magazine restrictions rather than AR bans like some lady from cali is calling for. If all that comes from this as far as restrictions goes is you can only have 15 bullets instead of 30 in your AR, id consider that a win. You can do the same with two clips of 15, so it would literally be nearly no change, which with even some conservatives calling for some sort of action, thats pretty minimal. I still hope something more happens as far as protection (guards), but honestly i cant see a reason for 30 bullets at once anyway. Thats not for protection, thats not for hunting, thats because its fun to pump off 30 rounds.

    ... or Zombies.

    Obama directs Cabinet to launch plan for reducing gun violence
    That's a feel good law that wold have almost no affect (reducing mags from 30 to 15).

    If they wanted feel good laws that would have more impact (although I doubt it would stop mass-shootings) they could do mandatory trigger locks, they gave me one with my last handgun purchase. That could help eliminate accidents, things like kids taking Dad's gun to school type shootings. Things like that would make more sense.
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    Re: DC is Now the One Lone Area of the Country ....

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    That's a feel good law that wold have almost no affect (reducing mags from 30 to 15).
    Yup.

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    If they wanted feel good laws that would have more impact (although I doubt it would stop mass-shootings) they could do mandatory trigger locks, they gave me one with my last handgun purchase. That could help eliminate accidents, things like kids taking Dad's gun to school type shootings. Things like that would make more sense.
    I agree. And I will go one further. Texas has a law on the books, often enforced I might add, that if you have children in the home, a child cannot have access to handguns. There's nuances to the law such as long rifles, age of the child, etc. since a lot of children were raised like me and were hunters before they even had a drivers license.

    It's clear Mrs. Lanza didn't do the best job securing her firearms. Maybe a law like this would force the hands of folks and get them to do a better job with securing the weapons.
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    Re: DC is Now the One Lone Area of the Country ....

    Rather relevant to our discussion is this article ....

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ngs-john-fund#

    Some of the highlights .....

    In fact, the high point for mass killings in the U.S. was 1929, according to criminologist Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections.

    Incidents of mass murder in the U.S. declined from 42 in the 1990s to 26 in the first decade of this century.

    The chances of being killed in a mass shooting are about what they are for being struck by lightning.

    Until the Newtown horror, the three worst K–12 school shootings ever had taken place in either Britain or Germany.
    To the point about shooters selecting gun-free zones ....

    Economists John Lott and William Landes conducted a groundbreaking study in 1999, and found that a common theme of mass shootings is that they occur in places where guns are banned and killers know everyone will be unarmed, such as shopping malls and schools.

    I spoke with Lott after the Newtown shooting, and he confirmed that nothing has changed to alter his findings. He noted that the Aurora shooter, who killed twelve people earlier this year, had a choice of seven movie theaters that were showing the Batman movie he was obsessed with. All were within a 20-minute drive of his home. The Cinemark Theater the killer ultimately chose wasn’t the closest, but it was the only one that posted signs saying it banned concealed handguns carried by law-abiding individuals. All of the other theaters allowed the approximately 4 percent of Colorado adults who have a concealed-handgun permit to enter with their weapons.

    “Disarming law-abiding citizens leaves them as sitting ducks,” Lott told me. “A couple hundred people were in the Cinemark Theater when the killer arrived. There is an extremely high probability that one or more of them would have had a legal concealed handgun with him if they had not been banned.”
    And then the nail in the coffin for that topic ....

    Lott offers a final damning statistic: “With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”
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    Re: DC is Now the One Lone Area of the Country ....

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Yup.



    I agree. And I will go one further. Texas has a law on the books, often enforced I might add, that if you have children in the home, a child cannot have access to handguns. There's nuances to the law such as long rifles, age of the child, etc. since a lot of children were raised like me and were hunters before they even had a drivers license.

    It's clear Mrs. Lanza didn't do the best job securing her firearms. Maybe a law like this would force the hands of folks and get them to do a better job with securing the weapons.
    I like that. I know my handgun is way out of reach (except for me being 6'7") and my shotgun is under the bed unloaded in a zipped up case, with ammo out of reach and it has a lock on the safety that is locked. I am a huge gun safety guy, if it's possible I may be over the top.

    I wish Mrs. Lanza took the precautions folks like you and I do,but reports are she was of the belief the world was going to end and trained her son to use the guns, so even if she secured them he probably knew how to get them without much effort.
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    I agree the Mags will have almost zero effect on anything, but people will feel like they did something and sleep better, meanwhile some psychopath is learning how to quickly magazine change for the exact same results. In the interest of gun ownership though, id say keeping your AR and having to reload once is a pretty fair compromise vs trying to take them away entirely, thats all. not really supporting that notion.

    I think storing guns is part of being responsible gun owner, which is why I dont think even some that are good gun owners by all other definitions still arent being responsible gun owners. I know of too many houses where ive walked in and just seen a gun lying around, or worse a fully functioning gun safe thats left wide open. If proper storing enforcement is something even gun owners are for, id jump on board with that in a heartbeat. Problem is how do you enforce it? Random house inspections?

    I heard that in the case of Aurora, the guy was buying guns, ammunition stockpiles, armor, and all this other stuff over a a few month period. Isnt there someway to red flag those purchases and have the police look into it? seems with background checks and credit card use there should be an option for that.
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    Re: DC is Now the One Lone Area of the Country ....

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I wish Mrs. Lanza took the precautions folks like you and I do,but reports are she was of the belief the world was going to end and trained her son to use the guns, so even if she secured them he probably knew how to get them without much effort.
    Seven of her friends and family were on The Today show yesterday and all of them debunked that claim.

    That claim came from her ex-husbands sister and one of her friends believe she made it up since they never got along.
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    I routinely buy ammo in bulk. I do it for the same reason Mrs. HR and I shop at Costco -- it's cheaper.

    Ammo at the gun range, at Wal-Mart, etc is marked up sometimes double the bulk price. Last month, I'd estimate I purchased 500 rounds of 9mm, 500 rounds of .45 and a crate of 1,000 rounds of .223 (yes, that's the same round that may have been used in CT). It will take me about 6 months or so to go through that allotment. My wife and I joke is the press ever looked inside my gun safe, it would be described as "an arsenal". I'd estimate I have about 2,500 rounds of ammo currently in my safe. Every shooter / hunter I know buys in bulk.

    So again, checks on folks who buy ammo in bulk will be nothing more than a burden to legit, folks all the while doing nothing on the prevention side.
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    Re: DC is Now the One Lone Area of the Country ....

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Seven of her friends and family were on The Today show yesterday and all of them debunked that claim.

    That claim came from her ex-husbands sister and one of her friends believe she made it up since they never got along.
    Interesting. I'd like to know why (not that it makes a difference now) she didn't secure her guns when she knew and was worried about her son...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    I think storing guns is part of being responsible gun owner, which is why I dont think even some that are good gun owners by all other definitions still arent being responsible gun owners. I know of too many houses where ive walked in and just seen a gun lying around, or worse a fully functioning gun safe thats left wide open. If proper storing enforcement is something even gun owners are for, id jump on board with that in a heartbeat. Problem is how do you enforce it? Random house inspections?
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    Fortunately and unfortunately you have to make a law that punishes after the fact.

    I say fortunately because you can't just start allowing people in other peoples house because they own a gun. If you did that, where do you stop? You might as well throw out the constitution if that was allowed (and I know you weren't pushing that, simply asking).

    And I say unfortunately because, well I think it's pretty clear, you don't know if someone didn't properly secure their gun until it's too late. It may not always result in someone being shot but you'd find out when someone who shouldn't have the gun until they do.

    So you'd have to make a law that says, if you have a handgun that was possessed or used by a person under age you're liable for whatever in hopes it serves as a deterrent, kinda like the speed limit
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Interesting. I'd like to know why (not that it makes a difference now) she didn't secure her guns when she knew and was worried about her son...
    Has that been proven that she did not secure her weapons?

    I legitimately don't know...that's why I am asking...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Has that been proven that she did not secure her weapons?

    I legitimately don't know...that's why I am asking...
    I don't know either. But either she didn't or she didn't secure them well enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I routinely buy ammo in bulk. I do it for the same reason Mrs. HR and I shop at Costco -- it's cheaper.

    Ammo at the gun range, at Wal-Mart, etc is marked up sometimes double the bulk price. Last month, I'd estimate I purchased 500 rounds of 9mm, 500 rounds of .45 and a crate of 1,000 rounds of .223 (yes, that's the same round that may have been used in CT). It will take me about 6 months or so to go through that allotment. My wife and I joke is the press ever looked inside my gun safe, it would be described as "an arsenal". I'd estimate I have about 2,500 rounds of ammo currently in my safe. Every shooter / hunter I know buys in bulk.

    So again, checks on folks who buy ammo in bulk will be nothing more than a burden to legit, folks all the while doing nothing on the prevention side.
    And thats fine, but purchasing multiple "flags" like guns themselves, large quantities of ammo and Body Armor and other items should trigger something. You should be able to see a pattern in your case, and others, under that scenario. One visit from a cop or a more in depth background check at that point is viewed as a "burden" by you but again, its your right to own a gun, but that doesnt mean its without burdens. I drive a car, i still have to go through check points now and then. I dont drive drunk and its a "burden" but its part of having the right, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    And thats fine, but purchasing multiple "flags" like guns themselves, large quantities of ammo and Body Armor and other items should trigger something. You should be able to see a pattern in your case, and others, under that scenario. One visit from a cop or a more in depth background check at that point is viewed as a "burden" by you but again, its your right to own a gun, but that doesnt mean its without burdens. I drive a car, i still have to go through check points now and then. I dont drive drunk and its a "burden" but its part of having the right, imo.
    Driving is a privilege not a right. Privileges come with clauses, right are a lot less strict.

    What about the right to privacy?

    I am not suggesting no compromise what so ever. But at some point JAB you have to realize you can't prevent everything - especially in a free society.

    Even if we weren't a free society, you still can't prevent things from happening, free will is a bitch.
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