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    Just saw a headline over at CBS that gave me a chuckle:

    "Semi-assault Rifle Used During Sandy Hook Massacre."

    If we're going make terms this arbitrary why differentiate with words at all?
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    Re: DC is Now the One Lone Area of the Country ....

    I do hope that more restrictions on guns or ammunition isnt the outcome of CT. Id prefer armed security at every school before that.
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    I'd feel much more comfortable with a duel approach -- armed guards and allowing teachers to carry should they so choose.

    I deal with guard contracting companies with my day job and I don't want those knuckleheads protecting my children without some sort of extra help.
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    Re: DC is Now the One Lone Area of the Country ....

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    I do hope that more restrictions on guns or ammunition isnt the outcome of CT. Id prefer armed security at every school before that.
    I heard a great idea. Cops who are on disability, who could guard a school but not chase or fight a suspect, increase their pay and have them guard a school...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I'd feel much more comfortable with a duel approach -- armed guards and allowing teachers to carry should they so choose.

    I deal with guard contracting companies with my day job and I don't want those knuckleheads protecting my children without some sort of extra help.
    i guess concealed id be alright with, but i just see an issue with a teacher leaving it unlocked in a desk or out in the open and a kid playing with it and causing another issue. Rather leave it to professionals.

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I heard a great idea. Cops who are on disability, who could guard a school but not chase or fight a suspect, increase their pay and have them guard a school...
    I wouldnt oppose that.
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    Re: DC is Now the One Lone Area of the Country ....

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    i guess concealed id be alright with, but i just see an issue with a teacher leaving it unlocked in a desk or out in the open and a kid playing with it and causing another issue. Rather leave it to professionals
    A guard can be lazy about proper gun handling just as easily as one of the teachers.

    Even the "professionals" have a hard time with proper gun safety ....

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    Re: DC is Now the One Lone Area of the Country ....

    St. Louis area Police Chief calls for arming school personnel ....

    http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...ool-personnel/
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    Re: DC is Now the One Lone Area of the Country ....

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    St. Louis area Police Chief calls for arming school personnel ....

    http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...ool-personnel/
    Good article that mentions schools being gun-free zones leaves them to be sitting ducks...

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ings-john-fund

    I'm not sure how I feel about arming teachers though. You and I have a mutual friend who is a teacher, who I love dearly, but I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be with her being armed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    A guard can be lazy about proper gun handling just as easily as one of the teachers.

    Even the "professionals" have a hard time with proper gun safety ....

    thats not really helping the "anti-gun control" argument if youre saying trained professionals cant properly handle a gun, than clearly un-trained non-professionals would be more likely to have accidents as well. I dont think arming a bunch of teachers that dont necessarily want and/or are qualified is the answer. I realize youre saying itll be to their discretion, but how many will arm themselves if allowed to, at this moment out of fear. Even with the proper training if they are not avid gun owners and will not keep up with it how many forget whatever training they do receive or become complacent to responsible gun ownership. Im not against the option of guns in schools but i do think it has to be somebody with the background and knowledge and not making our teachers become guards on top of their responsibilities. Let the teachers teach and guards guard.

    Im not sure what role metal detectors could have in this either. Pricey option but just having guards on-site isnt doing much but having a quicker response time if not for them.
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    Re: DC is Now the One Lone Area of the Country ....

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    thats not really helping the "anti-gun control" argument if youre saying trained professionals cant properly handle a gun, than clearly un-trained non-professionals would be more likely to have accidents as well. I dont think arming a bunch of teachers that dont necessarily want and/or are qualified is the answer. I realize youre saying itll be to their discretion, but how many will arm themselves if allowed to, at this moment out of fear. Even with the proper training if they are not avid gun owners and will not keep up with it how many forget whatever training they do receive or become complacent to responsible gun ownership. Im not against the option of guns in schools but i do think it has to be somebody with the background and knowledge and not making our teachers become guards on top of their responsibilities. Let the teachers teach and guards guard.

    Im not sure what role metal detectors could have in this either. Pricey option but just having guards on-site isnt doing much but having a quicker response time if not for them.
    Metal detectors would not have prevented this, the kid forced his way into the school.
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    Re: DC is Now the One Lone Area of the Country ....

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I'm not sure how I feel about arming teachers though. You and I have a mutual friend who is a teacher, who I love dearly, but I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be with her being armed.
    I think said friend would do just fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    thats not really helping the "anti-gun control" argument if youre saying trained professionals cant properly handle a gun, than clearly un-trained non-professionals would be more likely to have accidents as well.
    I never said the teachers should be "un-trained". The overall point was accidents happen no matter what. Just because there's accidents doesn't mean you shit can the whole idea. Eliminating driving all together will eliminate drunk driving accidents but that's unrealistic.

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    I dont think arming a bunch of teachers that dont necessarily want and/or are qualified is the answer. I realize youre saying itll be to their discretion, but how many will arm themselves if allowed to, at this moment out of fear. Even with the proper training if they are not avid gun owners and will not keep up with it how many forget whatever training they do receive or become complacent to responsible gun ownership.
    We arm pilots for the same reason. The program is 100% voluntary and if you so choose, the requirements / training is quite rigorous.

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Im not against the option of guns in schools but i do think it has to be somebody with the background and knowledge and not making our teachers become guards on top of their responsibilities. Let the teachers teach and guards guard.
    When you're the potential victim and seconds matter, the guard is going to be minutes away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Metal detectors would not have prevented this, the kid forced his way into the school.
    In case of an intruder, yes, but why not plan a little further and prevent another columbine as well?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I never said the teachers should be "un-trained". The overall point was accidents happen no matter what. Just because there's accidents doesn't mean you shit can the whole idea. Eliminating driving all together will eliminate drunk driving accidents but that's unrealistic.
    Im not shit canning the idea of guns in schools. Im saying teachers + guns isnt as good as Guards + guns, same result different option. Im not sure how you can argue that guards, that do it for a living and are trained, arent good but then doing the same training with teachers is going to end with better results. How much training is enough to arm somebody that has 0 prior gun handling experience and only is now due to fear. When said fear subsides, which it inevitably will until another massacre sadly, will they keep up with it or not? half the country doesnt own guns and of that im not 100% the ones that do are all qualified to, let alone be around children.


    We arm pilots for the same reason. The program is 100% voluntary and if you so choose, the requirements / training is quite rigorous.
    not a bad example, ill give you that, but they also arent around children and are locked off from outsiders in the cockpit. Are said teachers with guns locked into a glass box away from the students? not likely.

    When you're the potential victim and seconds matter, the guard is going to be minutes away.
    Not arguing that. Armed guard vs none at all is not much of a debate for me. If something can be put in place to aid them, i dont see the harm. Metal detectors, like NC stated, wouldnt have prevented the CT incident, but maybe it would have Columbine or other scenarios.

    If youre going to go by your own theory that bad people do bad things regardless (get guns, bombs, knives, etc) than whats stopping them from just shooting a guard and going on the same rampage despite it? For me it still goes back to psychiatric measures, which parents, students, teachers need to be more informed about, specifically warning signs. Thats really the only way to prevent it, imo, and even than its not going to be 100% effective.
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    Re: DC is Now the One Lone Area of the Country ....

    This could be it's own thread, but I figured I'd just post it here.

    Here is why we have guns. http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/...hool-shooting/
    Asked on “Fox News Sunday” why Americans would need to own semi-automatic weapons, Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert said, “Well, for the reason George Washington said: a free people should be an armed people. It ensures against the tyranny of the government, if they know that the biggest army is the American people.”

    Gohmert added, “Once you start drawing the line, where do you stop? … Gun laws don’t work.”

    However, many gun control supporters believe this is the time for legislative action.

    “It’s time for the president, I think, to stand up and lead and tell this country what we should do – not go to Congress and say, ‘What do you guys want to do?’
    This should be his number one agenda,” New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.
    So the mayor of the largest city in the U.S. wants the POTUS to go around the "people's house" the people we elect to represent us and make his own law (which is how I read that).

    That's why the American people are armed, as Gohmert stated. (BTW - JAB, this isn't directed at you, I know you're looking for sensible ways for guns to not get the hands of the wrong people)
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    This could be it's own thread, but I figured I'd just post it here.

    Here is why we have guns. http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/...hool-shooting/


    So the mayor of the largest city in the U.S. wants the POTUS to go around the "people's house" the people we elect to represent us and make his own law (which is how I read that).

    That's why the American people are armed, as Gohmert stated. (BTW - JAB, this isn't directed at you, I know you're looking for sensible ways for guns to not get the hands of the wrong people)
    Technically, thanks to the beauty of gerrymandering, they get to elect themselves nowadays!

    The problem is, the wrong people will always get guns. Part of the issue is the mental atmosphere a lot of people are raised with in this country. Guns are part of the American way.

    But I don't believe any gun control will actually help. What's needed is a complete change of mindset for people. Bad people are bad people, and if there's a way, they'll find it.

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    There was a guy on cbs news this morning talking about the aurora shooting and he said of the 7 movie theaters around where he lived, only one had a ban on weapons and that was the one the shooter chose. Another interesting tidbit was it wasnt even the closest theater to his house.

    Now, I dont believe he was insinuating that the aurora shooter chose this place solely because it was a weapons-free zone, but it does bring up some interesting talking points.

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