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12-13-2012, 10:48 AM #49
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Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal
How much responsibility for not acting on Cam sooner do you guys think Bisciotti is putting on Harbaugh?
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Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal
I would imagine a fair amount.
I mean, if - and only if - simply because 2 years ago Harbs claimed that he was going to get "more involved" with the offense. He also claimed that he was going to try and foster a better relationship between Flacco and Cam. Obviously, that never happened.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal
Just read on my Twitter feed from Matt Vensel (ESPN STATS):
Flacco has overthrown his receivers for an incompletion on 18.6% of attempts, highest in NFL.
Now the media folks will probably think "Flacco sucks".
But as discussed in this thread and in others, this stat is largely a result of the play calls by Cam.
In SD and the first Pitt game, Joe notably overthrew a lot of sideline passes to Torrey.
However, this is because exactly what Boldin confronted Cam over at SD: the CBs were sitting and waiting because they KNEW we would be calling the same routes over and over. The play was called, the CB knew it, had position and Joe had to overthrow Torrey et al. so as to not throw an INT.
On paper the stat looks bad but it is easily explained as a symptom of Cam's dumb ass, inflexible, redundant playcalling.
I hope Caldwell's offense comes out with more variation and short passes.
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12-13-2012, 10:57 AM #53Veteran Poster
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Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal
What are the odds Cam gets canned if Batch throws a wounded duck INT on their last drive and Cousins fumbles the snap on the 2-pt conversion and it fails?
Opinions/guesses?
I say 0%.
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Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal
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Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal
Obviously upset losses exaggerate issues, but the offense simply has not advanced, and was wildly inconsistent.
Cam tried to mold the players into his system instead of molding the system to the players. This is long overdue - it just took a mini shit storm to bring it about. People think it's crazy for a 9-4 team to fire their coordinator, imagine if we did it at 11-2. You are right, it probably wouldn't have happened.
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12-13-2012, 11:28 AM #56
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12-13-2012, 11:33 AM #57Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal
I keep reading comments saying that Joe needs to move outside the pocket and extend plays as well as throw it away more when nothing is there. At first glance, I was in agreement but really, the more I'm thinking about it, I'm not so sure he could realistically do either. The pocket frequently collapses so quickly that he'd have to take the snap and bolt almost immediately on a lot of plays. Instead, he stands in a dirty pocket and tries to make a play. And if he threw it away every time nobody is open right away, that would be a lot since our WRs getting open is the exception and not the rule. Just some random thoughts while bored at work.....
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12-13-2012, 11:38 AM #58Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal
I am fascinated with that what if. I agree 0%, but just that they discussed it post 1st Steeler game is crazy. I guess they were convinced at that point that Cam had to go, but after the season. It took Stevie B having major meltdowns watching both losses.
The 2nd 'What If' I'm wondering is say we beat the Redskins, Cam stays and everything on the surface is hunky dory since we win the AFC North. Stevie B is still livid at Cam, but his questioning of Harbs steering the ship grows stronger b/c of Harbs backing Cam's shenanigans. Say we lose that Wildcard game at home with the same shit that plagues the Ravens. Obviously, Stevie B would be even more pissed. In the scenario, do you think he cans John? I'd think there would be a chance. By canning Cam now, the situation is diffused and I think the heat on Harbs is lessened now.
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12-13-2012, 11:39 AM #59Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal
I agree. Perspective is everything... why do you think the media, by and large, has been against the Cam move, calling it a "panic reaction" and bleating over and over again "this team is 9-4, 9-4 teams don't do this, 9-4, 9-4, 9-4...."
Because of cognitive bias, specifically a kind of outcome bias... mistakenly assuming that the outcome of a decision or event tells you all you need to know about whether the correct decisions were made and actions taken. The problem is that decisions made with imperfect information (which is 99.999% of all decisions) can't be evaluated that way.
I'm sure it's already been done before, but the cognitive psychology of coaches is definitely worthy studying. They seem particularly prone to unnecessarily risk averse thinking and biased decision-making.
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12-13-2012, 11:51 AM #60
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Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal
I have been saying for a while that I don't think Bisciotti is anywhere near as attached to Harbaugh and Flacco as many posters think he is. I think Bisciotti is sold on Flacco, but not at the price Flacco wants, unless Flacco can drastically improve his consistency. I also think that Bisciotti is going to hold Harbaugh accountable for not correcting what was wrong with the Ravens offense sooner. If Biciotti concludes that the reason the offense was not corrected sooner was because Harbaugh wasn't knowledgeable enough to do it (since he has never been a coordinator), or because he wasn't strong enough to get Cam to comply, then I think that there is a good chance that he will eventually fire Harbaugh.
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