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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal



    I have to say this is pretty ironic and funny.

    Before the season (when Mike Tomlin was "interviewing" Caldwell) Ravens' fans were laughing and hoping he became the Steelers OC. A bulk of this board was cutting the Steelers down for even considering this guy.

    Now he is the Ravens OC, he's going to be GREEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!




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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRob View Post
    I have to say this is pretty ironic and funny.

    Before the season (when Mike Tomlin was "interviewing" Caldwell) Ravens' fans were laughing and hoping he became the Steelers OC. A bulk of this board was cutting the Steelers down for even considering this guy.

    Now he is the Ravens OC, he's going to be GREEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!
    Really? I don't recall that at all. Bulk is a lot of people.




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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    Another consideration is that, since our defense can't stop anyone, we have to win on offense. Bisciotti can no longer have a "game manager" as a quarterback. We win or lose with Joe and the offense now.
    The other reason the Ravens can no longer have a "game manager" at QB is that Bisciotti has to decide if he is going to pay Flacco what Flacco wants. You don't pay a "game manager" a $100+ million contract. The Ravens offense has to be the explosive offense that we saw in Week 1 on a consistent basis for Flacco to be worthy of such a contract.




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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    so.... we can thank Charlie B-atch and Kirk Cousins for getting rid of Cam? Never really thought of it that way but there's some truth to it.
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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    The other reason the Ravens can no longer have a "game manager" at QB is that Bisciotti has to decide if he is going to pay Flacco what Flacco wants. You don't pay a "game manager" a $100+ million contract. The Ravens offense has to be the explosive offense that we saw in Week 1 on a consistent basis for Flacco to be worthy of such a contract.
    THIS^^^ it's time to know what we have in Joe, Harbaugh fucked up for keeping that dummy Cam this long into joes career, bad move by Harbaugh I bet thats why his ass may very well be on that hot seat.




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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Is it just me or has anybody else noticed that Joe's blitz recognition in the no huddle is light year's better then it is outside of it? What would you attribute that too, i think he has been damn good setting the right protection in the no huddle but if you look at the Washington game last week there were at least 2 occasions on those corner/safety blitzes where i didnt even see him look to the side where the blitz is coming from. It makes you wonder if that is a control thing, when he's in control he seems to be more cerebral and mindful of the small details and when he wasnt he isnt so much.




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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Quote Originally Posted by Carey View Post
    Is it just me or has anybody else noticed that Joe's blitz recognition in the no huddle is light year's better then it is outside of it? What would you attribute that too, i think he has been damn good setting the right protection in the no huddle but if you look at the Washington game last week there were at least 2 occasions on those corner/safety blitzes where i didnt even see him look to the side where the blitz is coming from. It makes you wonder if that is a control thing, when he's in control he seems to be more cerebral and mindful of the small details and when he wasnt he isnt so much.
    I think it allows Joe to be more relaxed because he gets to the line with a lot of time left on the play clock. He can set back and read the defense then adjust the play as needed. It's not like Cam has the call in late, and then Flacco has to run up to the line to hike the ball.




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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    I think it allows Joe to be more relaxed because he gets to the line with a lot of time left on the play clock. He can set back and read the defense then adjust the play as needed. It's not like Cam has the call in late, and then Flacco has to run up to the line to hike the ball.
    True, but there were several instances where Flacco had to call a TO because the play came in too late.
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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    I am now optimistic and I actually feel better knowing that changes are occurring.
    It has dogged us for so long.
    I also believe that has been a large part of the fan frustration here.
    The offense has always seemed to be better than their performance due to being held back in our eyes.
    And knowing nothing was ever going to change for the better, the fans frustration boiled over many times.
    Many times way over the top. I know I was one of them.

    Hearing analysts describe our offensive deficiencies has given us some sort of vindication.
    Now with the change, I feel really good going forward.
    Regardless of the outcome of this game Sunday, I am guessing we want to see the actual signs that change is here.

    For me personally, I want to see Caldwell TRYING to put our guys in the best position to succeed.
    That is what I need to see. Formations and mixed routes to help our receivers gain natural separation.
    Use the no huddle to get Joe into a rhythm and help our Oline tire the defensive front which will slow the rush.

    And I know it is using the rest of the playbook which means there will be miscues and miscommunication from time to time due simply from not using those plays.
    But I remember game 1 against the Bengals.
    And right now, we need to bring THAT playcalling and numerous formations and routes back.
    That is what I want to start seeing.
    We see all of that coming into play and Joe will get more confident with every successful drive.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens44 View Post
    I am now optimistic and I actually feel better knowing that changes are occurring.
    It has dogged us for so long.
    I also believe that has been a large part of the fan frustration here.
    The offense has always seemed to be better than their performance due to being held back in our eyes.
    And knowing nothing was ever going to change for the better, the fans frustration boiled over many times.
    Many times way over the top. I know I was one of them.

    Hearing analysts describe our offensive deficiencies has given us some sort of vindication.
    Now with the change, I feel really good going forward.
    Regardless of the outcome of this game Sunday, I am guessing we want to see the actual signs that change is here.

    For me personally, I want to see Caldwell TRYING to put our guys in the best position to succeed.
    That is what I need to see. Formations and mixed routes to help our receivers gain natural separation.
    Use the no huddle to get Joe into a rhythm and help our Oline tire the defensive front which will slow the rush.

    And I know it is using the rest of the playbook which means there will be miscues and miscommunication from time to time due simply from not using those plays.
    But I remember game 1 against the Bengals.
    And right now, we need to bring THAT playcalling and numerous formations and routes back.
    That is what I want to start seeing.
    We see all of that coming into play and Joe will get more confident with every successful drive.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    This is not a defense of Cam, but I found it curious to hear Derrick Mason's comments on 105.7 FM this morning. When asked if the offense was too vanilla, with the definition suggested by Steve Davis being the same predictable routes over and over again, Mason sort of defended Cam by suggesting that Torrey is limited in the type of routes he can run effectively, and Cam limits the play calling to work within those constraints.

    Maybe Mason is biased/egotistical in thinking few others have his talent to run all the routes in the route tree. Maybe Mason's view is based on a raw Torrey Smith when he was fresh out of college. Maybe he knows something we don't want to admit. (He also mentioned that in his opinion Brian Billick refused to consider the limitations of his receivers and was trying to install the kind of vertical passing attack he favored, without consideration of the fact he had receivers who were not capable of executing it).

    We kind of heard the same suggestion in the past that Joe Flacco was not being allowed to throw between the hashes because Cam didn't think he could be trusted. Eventually that changed, but I do wonder if one of Cam's problems was not trusting his playmakers to make plays. Maybe Cam thought he already knew the negative outcome of going in a certain direction, and was too stubborn to try it. We have been led to believe he wasn't good at receiving input.
    Re-reading Cossell's quotes really don't do justice to what I think he was trying to communicate in the interview. You have to go back and listen (if you've not already).

    I get the strong sense from many fans that they feel Flacco is an "elite" QB with talented receivers just waiting to be unleashed by a new OC. Listening to Cossell, I get the sense that he feels that both Flacco and the receivers are "good", and can be better, but I never got the sense that he thought that Cameron was squandering an "elite" unit.

    I'd rather he try and fail than never try at all.
    I agree. Just wish they would have tried before last season, or the season before.




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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    Listening to Cossell, I get the sense that he feels that both Flacco and the receivers are "good", and can be better, but I never got the sense that he thought that Cameron was squandering an "elite" unit.
    The comments I attributed to Mason somewhat support this. His claim was that the receivers aren't good enough to run anything different, and Cam simply limited them to the one or two things they could do (Torrey, nine-route and out pattern; Anquan slant route). Mason seemed to think there wasn't much room to get better.




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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    The comments I attributed to Mason somewhat support this. His claim was that the receivers aren't good enough to run anything different, and Cam simply limited them to the one or two things they could do (Torrey, nine-route and out pattern; Anquan slant route). Mason seemed to think there wasn't much room to get better.
    Umm I've seen Torrey take a cross pattern 50 yards+ after he caught the ball. Also, I've seen Torrey take a quick comeback to the house after faking out a DB (Browns game). I don't buy into that thinking.




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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Where did this myth that crossing patterns are short begin?




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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    Where did this myth that crossing patterns are short begin?
    Depends on if it's a drag or a dig route.

    Drag route = short

    Dig = intermediate




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