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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal



    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I still think the way the WRs have been coached--rounding off routes, etc.--is a huge factor in that. It's not as if we don't have talent at WR.
    Could that be why it seems like Flacco is always overthrowing Torrey on those 15-20 yard sideline routes?




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    I've always been a little cynical towards Cossell because he completely dismisses the system but he pretty much nailed it. And thanks guys for summarizing.
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    Love me some Greg Cosell.
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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    As usual he is correct about everything.

    I will say this though, WR's struggling to get separation vs press may have been a pure talent issue in 2010, but now with the likes of Torrey Smith, this HAS to be a coaching issue IMO, as well as a scheme issue.




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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    Great stuff. Completely agree regarding Joe's internal clock but I think it's deficient to begin with because he was playing in a system that didn't require a quick internal clock. Hopefully we eliminate these isolation routes and get creative with our passing attacks. Speed up the tempo and and you'll speed up Joe's internal clock.
    I don't know how well you can judge Joe's internal clock when it's a rare play that provides a quick safety outlet. He either has to hold the ball or throw it away if the receivers don't quickly beat their man, and he definitely prefers to make a play than just throw it away.

    That thread awhile back that linked a site explaining the difference between Home Joe and Road Joe noted he seemed more comfortable holding the ball and shifting around in the pocket when he's in The Vault. He's been more willing to let the play develop, and that takes time. We need more plays, or at least more options, for a quick pass, I think, before we start assuming the problem is Flacco doesn't feel the pass rush well enough.




  6. Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    Great stuff. Completely agree regarding Joe's internal clock but I think it's deficient to begin with because he was playing in a system that didn't require a quick internal clock. Hopefully we eliminate these isolation routes and get creative with our passing attacks. Speed up the tempo and and you'll speed up Joe's internal clock.
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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    It's good to hear this...

    I've been really concerned as of late that Joe really has been ruined. Hopefully, with a fresh set of eyes calling the plays, we can see his development get back on track. I don't expect him ever to put his name among Brady or Manning or Brees. But he's definitely an above average QB who can do enough things on offense along with other components to put something good on the field.
    Remember the first game against the Bengals? When Joe ran the no-huddle to near perfection? When Joe and the receivers looked dominant? When the gameplan actually included short routes and ones across the middle of the field? Where we saw Joe getting rid of the ball quickly and on time with pinpoint accuracy?

    A gameplan which has been rumored to have been devised by Caldwell?

    I don't think we need to worry about Joe being ruined, though it might take awhile for him to get back to that level of play--remember, he'd been working on it for months all throughout training camp and the preseason--after being forced these past few months to try and make the most of Cam's often untenable scheme.
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    This thread is as good as any to summarize my thoughts on Cam. I think Cossell would concur with them.

    1. Cam is not a bad OC. Before you grab your torches and pitchforks let me explain. Cam is the OC equivalent of training wheels. When Joe was making the adjustment to the NFL, Cam provided a safe, easily digested playbook that maximized on Joe's ability to sling the ball to the sidelines and protected him with a stout run game. For Joe, this meant that while he wasn't going to put up huge numbers, he also was unlikely to fail spectacularly and flame out. When you consider Cam in that light, he is a great first coordinator. He gets your QB into the game, protects him from early mistakes, while still putting your team in a position to win. I don't think it's a coincidence that Brees, Rivers, and Joe all looked pretty good under Cam, and then two of them looked pretty great after he left.

    2. Just like training wheels eventually they stop being useful and become a hindrance, Cam's inability to up the complexity of his scheme means Joe isn't allowed to grow. He's stuck with training wheels long after he grows out of them. When he should be learning to pop wheelies and jump off a ramp, he's stuck on his little four wheeled Huffy. And then when the game situation demands he makes a huge jump, he can sometimes do it spite of his training wheels, but other times he comes up short.

    Cam was an integral part of our getting to our first AFC championship game. He was a stabilizing force that kept our team in position to win as long as the D could play at a top level and keep us within a score or two. But now we need to move on. The training wheels need to come off. The bike needs to get bigger. And we need to be going a lot faster.

    Hopefully we can do it. But don't be surprised if we fall down a couple times while Joe gets used to his new bike.
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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Nice summation, Spammy. There's hope for you yet. (Slangin' Spammy Bot. Sounds like a Deadskins QB of note... )

    I would only add that with a playoff berth so close at hand, it ain't like Joe has to hop on that bike in the middle of rush-hour traffic. He gets to pedal it up & down the back alley a few times while Uncle Jim is right there watching, with a box of bandaids just in case.




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    Exactly. Which is why I think they timed the move when they did. Kept Cam around long enough to get a playoff spot, but dumped him as soon as possible afterward to give Joe and Jim time to adjust to each other and a new offensive approach.
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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Quote Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74 View Post
    A gameplan which reportedly was devised by Caldwell?
    Where was that reported?




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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Quote Originally Posted by Dade View Post
    Where was that reported?
    It wasn't.

    I meant to put "rumored to have been" -- it was posted on that Orioles board whose link was posted somewhere here. (went back and fixed it now)

    There is this article in the Sun which seems to lend some credence to that rumor though: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...,5748690.story




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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Remember 6 months ago when a couple of us here were talking about Greg Cossell's observations about Cam's offense?



    Yea, I do.


    The guy knows what he is talking about.
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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Remember 6 months ago when a couple of us here were talking about Greg Cossell's observations about Cam's offense?



    Yea, I do.


    The guy knows what he is talking about.
    I remember. And he was spot on.




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    Re: Good stuff from Greg Cosell on Cam after his dismissal

    Quote Originally Posted by Dade View Post
    I remember. And he was spot on.
    +1




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