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    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    Tom Brady took the patriots to the superbowl last year with one of the worst defenses to ever play in the NFL.

    You guys are so full of jealousy and envy its not even funny.
    Right. Did they win?
    Gotcha, so he hasn't won without that defense yet, solidifying my point. Almost doesn't mean anything, I'm sure Brady would say that himself.


    I'm having a legitimate discussion, accusing me of jealousy is childish.

    Or more appropriately,

    "I know you are but what am I?"


    When was the last time Peyton Manning won a superbowl without a defense? If Im not mistaken, the 2006 superbowl team had the DPOY on it. With Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis in their prime.
    EXACTLY.

    So the logical procession from this tells me the more successful my defense is, the more successful my team as a whole is. And since winning a Superbowl is a team effort, the better my chances at winning! Yet somehow Brady gets all the credit. Peyton has been dominating with crap defenses his entire career falling short in the playoffs. The season they step up, he wins a Superbowl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    One of these things is not like the other.
    Tom Brady single handedly carried his team last year, Peyton Manning did not(the year they won the superbowl). Peyton had a good year that year, but also had a much better defense than what Brady was working with.

    And lastly, it is not a discussion. I cant believe people still trying to legitimately make this into a discussion. Maybe 6 years ago when he had above average #'s but 3 superbowls.

    All it does is go to show that no matter how good your QB is, you have to have a good defense to win a championship.




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    Re: Media Crowning Patriots Again

    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    Tom Brady single handedly carried his team last year, Peyton Manning did not(the year they won the superbowl). Peyton had a good year that year, but also had a much better defense than what Brady was working with.
    Vince Wilfork in the AFCCG would disagree with you.
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    Re: Media Crowning Patriots Again

    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    Tom Brady took the patriots to the superbowl last year with one of the worst defenses to ever play in the NFL.
    I beg to differ. Lee Evans sent Tom Brady to the superbowl last year.




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    Re: Media Crowning Patriots Again

    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    And lastly, it is not a discussion. I cant believe people still trying to legitimately make this into a discussion. Maybe 6 years ago when he had above average #'s but 3 superbowls.
    It's not a discussion, it's an opinion. I think he's overrated, I didn't say he wasn't good or he wasn't very good, I said he was borderline great.

    He's benefited largely from a good to very good o-line and a good scheme.

    All you want to do is bring stats, okay if that's the case than Brett Favre is the best ever.

    Or Championships, okay than Montana and Bradshaw are tied for the best ever.

    I am basing my OPINION off what I see, a guy who the majority of his career has stood behind great protection.

    Look no further than Matt Cassell 11 -5
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    It's not a discussion, it's an opinion. I think he's overrated, I didn't say he wasn't good or he wasn't very good, I said he was borderline great.

    He's benefited largely from a good to very good o-line and a good scheme.

    All you want to do is bring stats, okay if that's the case than Brett Favre is the best ever.

    Or Championships, okay than Montana and Bradshaw are tied for the best ever.

    I am basing my OPINION off what I see, a guy who the majority of his career has stood behind great protection.

    Look no further than Matt Cassell 11 -5
    I dont know what youre talking about, but If you bring stats into the equation with Brett Favre, he is not the best ever. Does he have the most TDs?Yes, but he played into his 40's.

    Hes not the best anyway regardless of stats or no stats.

    Hilarious to see people STILL think tom brady is overrated.

    sacked 32 times last year, 105 QB rating, still overrated.




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    Re: Media Crowning Patriots Again

    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    Hilarious to see people STILL think tom brady is overrated.
    I hate the sonofabitch, but he is without question one of the greatest ever.




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    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    I dont know what youre talking about, but If you bring stats into the equation with Brett Favre, he is not the best ever. Does he have the most TDs?Yes, but he played into his 40's.

    Hes not the best anyway regardless of stats or no stats.

    Hilarious to see people STILL think tom brady is overrated.

    sacked 32 times last year, 105 QB rating, still overrated.
    This.

    We don't agree often but we do here.

    The Brady hate is ponderous at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    This.

    We don't agree often but we do here.

    The Brady hate is ponderous at best.




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    Re: Media Crowning Patriots Again

    Please...........
    They did not have one of the worst defenses last season, they had 17 teams give up more points the whole season than they did.

    The media washes Bradys balls every year. They love him so much they wish they could have his babies.

    Half the time he gets hit and it results in a first down after he pounds his fists on the turf crying for a penalty.

    Yeah he gets it done, yeah i also think he is a total turd burglar.

    Put him on another team and what would he do? Would he put up 36 ppg playing for the cards? Don't think so. "Talented" Qbs usually have talent surrounding them. He does not win the games by himself. Remember his wife said he can't throw the ball and catch it too all by himself.




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    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    Tom Brady single handedly carried his team last year
    Did you watch the AFCCG?

    Brady went 22-of-36 for 239 yards, zero touchdowns and two interceptions to post a 57.5 passer rating, again in Foxboro.

    Not saying that's the worst, but hardly carrying his team.

    Brady after the game:

    "Well, I sucked pretty bad today but our defense saved us."

    http://mobile.boston.com/sports/foot..._i_suc?camp=pm

    Despite being touted, Brady is not the playoff dominator he's made out to be, look at his numbers. The difference is his teams have been able to hold the game down without Brady playing his best, while Manning's teams crumbled if Manning didn't dominate.

    In the playoffs Brady has been beat at home more than Tina Turner.
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    Re: Media Crowning Patriots Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Sirdowski View Post
    Did you watch the AFCCG?

    Brady went 22-of-36 for 239 yards, zero touchdowns and two interceptions to post a 57.5 passer rating, again in Foxboro.

    Not saying that's the worst, but hardly carrying his team.

    Brady after the game:

    "Well, I sucked pretty bad today but our defense saved us."

    http://mobile.boston.com/sports/foot..._i_suc?camp=pm

    Despite being touted, Brady is not the playoff dominator he's made out to be, look at his numbers. The difference is his teams have been able to hold the game down without Brady playing his best, while Manning's teams crumbled if Manning didn't dominate.

    In the playoffs Brady has been beat at home more than Tina Turner.
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    Re: Media Crowning Patriots Again

    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    sacked 32 times last year, 105 QB rating, still overrated.
    Maybe folks don't know what OVERATED means

    Definition of OVERRATE
    : to rate, value, or estimate too highly

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    If Brady were the Ravens, he would make the Ravens OL look like All Pros.
    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    The man is the best QB to ever play the game along with Unitas and Montana.
    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    Tom Brady took the patriots to the superbowl last year with one of the worst defenses to ever play in the NFL.

    You guys are so full of jealousy and envy its not even funny.

    When was the last time Peyton Manning won a superbowl without a defense?
    If Im not mistaken, the 2006 superbowl team had the DPOY on it. With Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis in their prime.
    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    Tom Brady single handedly carried his team last year, Peyton Manning did not(the year they won the superbowl). Peyton had a good year that year, but also had a much better defense than what Brady was working with.
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    ^^^Nice.

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    Re: Media Crowning Patriots Again

    Woodhead, Welker, Gronkowski, Hernandez, my God. The insanity. Those guys are the business. I too think the Pats will win the SP. Those guys go after every ball like it is the last one they will ever catch. If I were an Offensive HC I would make my players watch film of those four catching and running.




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