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Thread: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.
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12-10-2012, 09:51 PM #13Hall Of Fame Poster
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12-10-2012, 09:54 PM #14Veteran Poster
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Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.
Ok, I can accept that argument (even if I suspect some proficient passing offenses do in fact line up that close to the endzone in 5 wide).
But you weren't really including that conditional every time you criticized the formation, such as here:
and here:
As long as you are just questioning the formation in that particular circumstance, then I won't object. :D
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12-10-2012, 09:57 PM #15
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Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.
I actually don't mind a spread empty backfield, why the play didn't work was that the routes were way too deep and took too long to develop. If there was a reciever or two running out where the blitz was coming from that formation would have been money. Mike Shanahan ran alot of this with cutler in denver when they overloaded cutler would change the hot route and hit the reiciever on the side of the blitz. The formation works is the route trees that are issues in cams system.
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Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.
Haloti, you never see that call at that spot on the feild with that down and distance. You at worst want your 3 points. Sometimes you will see a Qb bootleg out of that formation, but Joe is not bootlegger. A better formation in that situation is 1 back and TE on one side of the line, usually the long side of the feild or audible him over to the overload blitz if one is presented to you. That way you have TWO safety valves and force defenses LB's to stay honest or rush passer. This what NE runs near goal line everytime. Make defender choose course of action and react accordingly.
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Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.
I live in Denver/Boulder and know their system, the big difference is that Cutler/Plummer would do a boot out of this and scramble wide side with pass/run option. The threat of the boot also scared teams. Joe isnt a bootleg QB. That's why Shanahan gave up the farm for RG3. He likes the boot, he did it with Elway alot as well, buys time and gives QB options and slides the LB's and S's.
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12-10-2012, 10:07 PM #18Veteran Poster
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Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.
I am not quibbling with your overall criticism, I think I am just quibbling about your continual use of the word "never" in lieu of "rarely." :D
The fact is, you can line up like that and survive a blitz as long as you are prepared, i.e. ready to throw a quick slant or even a fade to the receiver left open by the blitzer or left in single coverage. It was a combination of that formation and our inability to deal with the blitz that came that doomed the play, not simply the former. A lot of teams when they line up like that HOPE you blitz.
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12-10-2012, 10:08 PM #19
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Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.
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Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.
Rarely it is, but you need a mobile QB and hope the defense doesnt read and jump the route and gets a pick. It's pretty uncommon extremely rare to see. When do you ever see the Ravens use a hot route? Cam never liked them. I can see why at times, they can become easy interceptions if the defense picks up on it with Safety help over the top.
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Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.
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12-10-2012, 10:29 PM #22
Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.
I ain't buying that. Joe has stated publically that he thinks he's an elite QB. I have never seen Brady, either Manning, Brees, or even Charlie Batch for that matter, run a play with that kind of a blocking mismatch in front of them. Elite QB's call time out, run the ball themselves, or just throw the ball out of bounds. Then they go to the sideline and have a heart-tp-heart with their OC. The play call was on Cam, the pick was due to a bad decision on Joe's part.
"I don't know a man on this Earth who can outwork me". Ray Lewis
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Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.
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