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    Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    Anyone notice how quickly Brady got rid of the ball last night? You couldn't count to two before it was gone
    Can only force that square peg into a round hole so many times though. Flacco isn't Brady. Hell, Brady wasn't this version of Brady in his 5th year.




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    Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uli2001 View Post
    So one play got the OC fired? Right.
    No, but in the second half Cam's protection packages cost the Ravens at minimum 6 points in the #3rd Quarter. That resulted in a loss. That was just one obvious poor play design. Two turnovers in Redskin territory in the 3rd Q was essentially where the game was lost. Also in prior weeks Sd, Pitt his protection schemes were also poor. Remember if not for a miracle comeback in SD this is a 3 game losing streak. Cameron never adjusts but the opponet does. It doesnt take much for opposing defenses to figure the Ravens out. It's like the Bob Wade days at Maryland, teams didnt even scout MD cause they knew thier offense and defense the second time around. Those turnovers cost Cam his job in back to back weeks. They should have won both the last 2 games. Rumor is they wanted to replace him after the WIN in Pittsburgh.
    They barely beat SD and Pitt two pretty bad teams when our defense was playing well. He also abandoned the sugar huddle designed for Joe for some reason, which gives Joe more options and decision time.




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    Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uli2001 View Post
    So one play got the OC fired? Right.
    no, but the radio speculation, was that he was told repeatedly to give Flacco more blockers and chose not to, at the detriment of the team.

    Laquan Williams on the Bernard Pollard show was characterizing Cam as a control freak, that was stubborn as could be. It sort of fed back into the old argument about if Flacco is EVEN ALLOWED to check off a play. He was basically saying matter of factly that Cladwell will empower Flacco to make more choices, adjustments and check offs at the line.

    It makes sense to me. When i watch the Ravens play, I see Cam's playcalling as VERY stubborn in nature. It seems he draws up a game plan and sticks to it, NO MATTER WHAT, as if he knows it will work at some point. The definition of insanity is tryin ghte same thing over and ovr and expecting different results.




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    Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    I dont know you sir, but you have a very low football IQ. The game announcers mentioned it, Preston and HIS SOURCES, whoever they may be announced it. I pointed it out YESTERDAY. Now I have heard Aaron Wilson has now mentioned it, but I have not heard that first hand. 2 games IN A ROW lost because of protection issues, strip sacks and forced INT's all with leads. Protect the damn ball when leading.
    If it was Preston and Wilson why is Harbaugh's name in the thread title?
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    Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    If it was Preston and Wilson why is Harbaugh's name in the thread title?
    LOL. Good Catch..Didn't even notice it.




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    Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.

    I agree, that play call on 3rd down was atrocious for that point of the game. Now that Cam's gone (Christmas came early), my biggest concern is Joe's internal clock and awareness to certain situations on specific defensive looks. Its simple math really, 5 on the O-line, 6 to 7 players around the LOS in a 5 wide set. He has to realize that there is a 100% chance there will be contact on him this play and that he has about 2 seconds at most to get this play off. Furthermore, the pressure came from his field of vision, which makes me question his overall ability to catalog/decipher simple situations such as this one. Was it the best call, no, but he doesn't do himself any favors by looking like he has no idea that he is going to get hit.




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    Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Joe isnt that kind of FU kind of guy like a Manning, Elway, Unitas, Roethlisberger,Brady or Warner. He's not Alpha.
    Alpha? Certainly Brady isn't considered Alpha. Out of that list he isn't the only one either. Flacco doesn't deserve a pass. He's a grown man now.




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    Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by burnwood View Post
    Alpha? Certainly Brady isn't considered Alpha. Out of that list he isn't the only one either. Flacco doesn't deserve a pass. He's a grown man now.


    On one hand people want to call Flacco an "elite" QB that the Ravens should give a $100+ million contract, and on the other hand they give him a pass for bad decision making. You can't have it both ways.




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    Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Joe isnt that kind of FU kind of guy like a Manning, Elway, Unitas, Roethlisberger,Brady or Warner. He's not Alpha.
    He's not alpha? Not sure what that has to do with making bad decisions, but any NFL QB who plays 5 years without missing a game due to injury, certainly can't be called a sissy. In fact I can't remember him even missing a play because of an injury. I say he's alpha+. But still made a bad decision on the play in question.
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    Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    winner.

    Anyone notice how quickly Brady got rid of the ball last night? You couldn't count to two before it was gone
    He has receivers running routes that are ready before you can count to two.

    I haven't noticed any hot reads when other teams blitz with this offense under Cam. It's not just Flacco. The receivers aren't looking to change their routes based on the defense either, which leads me to believe the system under Cam just doesn't have that option. Either the O-line eats the blitz or the blitz eats Joe.

    Which is nuts. I get it: the players need to execute. But that's setting them up for failure, especially if you're running a spread formation with an empty backfield. Any blitz scheme that sends more pass rushers than there are blockers is going to cause problems, especially when it's obvious the coaching has been to keep Flacco in the pocket. He may not be RGIII or Randall Cunningham, but we saw him run more during his first two years than he has since.

    If Caldwell does nothing more than give Flacco opportunities to get rid of the ball quicker, he'll make this offense a lot more effective and efficient.




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    Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post


    On one hand people want to call Flacco an "elite" QB that the Ravens should give a $100+ million contract, and on the other hand they give him a pass for bad decision making. You can't have it both ways.
    It's not giving Flacco a pass thinking the internet psychology experts and mind-readers are full of crap in their criticisms of Flacco.




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    Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by bacchys View Post
    He has receivers running routes that are ready before you can count to two.

    I haven't noticed any hot reads when other teams blitz with this offense under Cam. It's not just Flacco. The receivers aren't looking to change their routes based on the defense either, which leads me to believe the system under Cam just doesn't have that option. Either the O-line eats the blitz or the blitz eats Joe.

    Which is nuts. I get it: the players need to execute. But that's setting them up for failure, especially if you're running a spread formation with an empty backfield. Any blitz scheme that sends more pass rushers than there are blockers is going to cause problems, especially when it's obvious the coaching has been to keep Flacco in the pocket. He may not be RGIII or Randall Cunningham, but we saw him run more during his first two years than he has since.

    If Caldwell does nothing more than give Flacco opportunities to get rid of the ball quicker, he'll make this offense a lot more effective and efficient.
    half the time there was no route. He just took the snap and immediately threw it vertically to the WR. Washington is doing this a lot too, basically a quick bubble screen.
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    Re: Cams protection packages in the second half got him fired according to Preston and Harbaugh.

    Bubble screens are horizontal throws, I think you mean.

    I don't recall many bubble screens being thrown in this offense, and they aren't a good response to a blitz unless the DB is laying off 10 yards.

    A lot of offenses have them as a set read between the QB and the receiver: if the DB tries to hang back, the QB and wide-out both know the QB is taking a one step drop and firing the ball. At the least, you should get four or five yards out of it if the defense was in man coverage.

    We don't see enough DB's lining up that deep to make it work. Even though Smith and Jones are very fast, we don't have enough branches on the route tree to make them fear having to run with them. DB's tend to be pretty fast themselves, and if they aren't afraid you'll cut off the route if they turn their hips, they don't need to line up deep.




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