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  1. #121

    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?



    I guess it boils down to how we finish. If we were to go limping into the playoffs and become one and done perhaps the seat will get a little warmer but not hot enough for Bisciotti to fire Harbaugh. If memory serves me correctly I don't think any coach has ever got fired for taking his team to the playoffs 5 straight years.

    No hot seat for Joe though but plenty of pressure. He needs to prove that Cam was the issue and not him. Unfortanately I don't think he's going to get a fair shake because 3 games is not enough sample size. Let's hope so.




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    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    I guess it boils down to how we finish. If we were to go limping into the playoffs and become one and done perhaps the seat will get a little warmer but not hot enough for Bisciotti to fire Harbaugh. If memory serves me correctly I don't think any coach has ever got fired for taking his team to the playoffs 5 straight years.

    No hot seat for Joe though but plenty of pressure. He needs to prove that Cam was the issue and not him. Unfortanately I don't think he's going to get a fair shake because 3 games is not enough sample size. Let's hope so.
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    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    If memory serves me correctly I don't think any coach has ever got fired for taking his team to the playoffs 5 straight years.
    No coach has been to the playoffs his first five years. If we make it this year, Harbs will be the one and only coach to have ever done so.
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    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    I guess it boils down to how we finish. If we were to go limping into the playoffs and become one and done perhaps the seat will get a little warmer but not hot enough for Bisciotti to fire Harbaugh. If memory serves me correctly I don't think any coach has ever got fired for taking his team to the playoffs 5 straight years.

    For Harbaugh there may be more to it than that. I read (can't remember where) that he's been rubbing people the wrong way i.e. Font office, players etc.

    No hot seat for Joe though but plenty of pressure. He needs to prove that Cam was the issue and not him. Unfortanately I don't think he's going to get a fair shake because 3 games is not enough sample size. Let's hope so.
    I agree. If we see the exact performance over the next 3 games and whatever playoff games there may be, than there is plenty of pressure for Joe and I think he gets franchised.

    If he starts showing a lot of improvement or starts lighting it up, than I think he gets a deal and there is pressure to continue to do that, but not as much as if he keeps the status quo.
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    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    For Harbaugh there may be more to it than that. I read (can't remember where) that he's been rubbing people the wrong way i.e. Font office, players etc.



    I agree. If we see the exact performance over the next 3 games and whatever playoff games there may be, than there is plenty of pressure for Joe and I think he gets franchised.

    If he starts showing a lot of improvement or starts lighting it up, than I think he gets a deal and there is pressure to continue to do that, but not as much as if he keeps the status quo.
    Well his love affair with the media is no secret that's for sure. As for rubbing the front office the wrong way I have not heard or read anything on that but friction between him and some players absolutely as the so called "October Mutiny" article written by Jason Cole pointed out.




  6. #126

    Re: So is Flacco on tht seat now, or is it Harbaug?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    Both are safe.
    Thinking Harbaugh is a lock to be safe! Too many injuries on the defense
    couldn't be overcome. Now Flacco, he is safe but has to be on shaky ground
    in acquiring the almost elite qb contract that his agent probably turned down
    before the season. If Joe does sign a contract in the off season, I guessing it will be filled with incentives. Joe's play is just too inconsistent so the Ravens should let Flacco's performance back up his elite qb talk!




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    Re: So is Flacco on tht seat now, or is it Harbaug?

    Check out Tony Lombardi's article about Harbaugh being on the hot seat.

    http://russellstreetreport.com/harba...-in-baltimore/




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    Re: So is Flacco on tht seat now, or is it Harbaug?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    Check out Tony Lombardi's article about Harbaugh being on the hot seat.

    http://russellstreetreport.com/harba...-in-baltimore/
    As I said earlier from a good source (right more than wrong) Harbs is on the hotseat. How they finish out and play in the postseason will determine if he comes back. Any coach could of led this team to the playoffs past few seasons. This year he has had the injury bug bite him in the arse. But, 2 games they should of lost Dallas & SD are wins, plus a lot of narrow escapes vs KC, Cleveland and Pittsburgh (Who stinks). He is not safe, he isnt the only stubborn coach in the locker they have/had. Biscuit only looks forward not back.




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    Re: So is Flacco on tht seat now, or is it Harbaug?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    As I said earlier from a good source (right more than wrong) Harbs is on the hotseat. How they finish out and play in the postseason will determine if he comes back. Any coach could of led this team to the playoffs past few seasons. This year he has had the injury bug bite him in the arse. But, 2 games they should of lost Dallas & SD are wins, plus a lot of narrow escapes vs KC, Cleveland and Pittsburgh (Who stinks). He is not safe, he isnt the only stubborn coach in the locker they have/had. Biscuit only looks forward not back.
    if big mac plays this week then for sure he is on the hot seat




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    Re: So is Flacco on tht seat now, or is it Harbaug?

    Tony's credibility is very strong, plus Boulderraven have called some things in the past and he's been right more than wrong before the news even drop, I think Harbs may really be on the hot seat.




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    Re: So is Flacco on tht seat now, or is it Harbaug?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    As I said earlier from a good source (right more than wrong) Harbs is on the hotseat. How they finish out and play in the postseason will determine if he comes back. Any coach could of led this team to the playoffs past few seasons. This year he has had the injury bug bite him in the arse. But, 2 games they should of lost Dallas & SD are wins, plus a lot of narrow escapes vs KC, Cleveland and Pittsburgh (Who stinks). He is not safe, he isnt the only stubborn coach in the locker they have/had. Biscuit only looks forward not back.
    If Harbs keeps these stubborn coaches around, he should be fired. There is no room for that kind of crap in the NFL.




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    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Cowher: .623 winning percentage. Missed the playoffs 5 of his 15 seasons. Won 1 Superbowl in 15 tries.
    Gruden: .540 winning percentage. Missed the playoffs in 6 of his 11 seasons. Won 1 Superbowl in 11 tries.
    Payton: (Sean?) .646 winning percentage. Missed the playoffs 2 of his 6 seasons. Won 1 Superbowl in 6 tries.
    Arians: 1 Season as interim head coach. .800 winning percentage in 10 games. Likely to make first playoff appearance. No Superbowl in 0 tries.

    Harbs: .688 winning percentage. Missed the playoffs in 0 of his 5 seasons. Won 0 Superbowls in 4 tries.

    Not seeing a clear upgrade in that list unless Arians is able to maintain his lightning in a bottle season. But more importantly, for all the talk about how Harbs "should" have a Superbowl by now, that list clearly shows that even the best come up short in the vast majority of seasons. The all time Superbowl winner Chuck Noll got 4 in 24 seasons. That still means he went 6 years without for every season with. This fan obsession with immediate gratification is unrealistic, and it shows a clear lack of understanding of what a ludicrously high bar "Superbowl or bust" is to hold a coach to. By such a standard, Chuck Noll was a a bust 20 times.





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    Re: So is Flacco on tht seat now, or is it Harbaug?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    Check out Tony Lombardi's article about Harbaugh being on the hot seat.

    http://russellstreetreport.com/harba...-in-baltimore/
    Yeah, I read it. I have been saying this for years and all I get is shouted down about winning percentages, making the playoffs every year.

    Great, Cam is gone. He should have been gone at the lockout. But we played it safe and got to a dropped pass of the Super Bowl in a game where we pretty much dominated, but could have dominated more if it weren't for the approach.

    Cam was Harbaugh's cancer and again, from all I have read, seen, and heard, Steve Bisciotti prompted this. He, like me, is tired of coming up as an also ran. He pays top dollar in his players, the staff, even the facilities. He got a 'manager' of a coach and not an X's and O's coach and it showed in crucial games.

    Damn right Harbaugh is on notice. I still give him 3 years unless a Super Bowl comes or we go 5-11 next year, the Billick precedent for getting fired.




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    Re: So is Flacco on tht seat now, or is it Harbaug?

    How about this for next year:
    1. Promote Caldwell to HC
    2. Hire Norv Turner as OC
    3. Hire Rex Ryan as DC
    4. Demote Harbaugh to Special Teams Coach

    A coaching dream team!!!




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    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

    I honestly don't think that Harbs or Flacco are on the hot seat. Stevie B did not become a billionaire by making rash decisions and shit-canning people as successful as Harbs has been. The five straight playoff appearances (yes, we are going to win Sunday) speak for themselves. That being said, I would bet dollars to doughnuts that the players were in fully mutiny mode on Sunday after the loss to the Skins. Thus, Cam's firing. It seemed out of Harbaugh's character to fire someone in season and it had an air of desparation about it. It was either fire Cam or lose the lockerroom. Harbs smartly fired Cam. I think if he hadn't, then he would have been on the hot seat. Or another line of thinking could be that Harbs could be on the hot seat if he cannot win back the players, even after the firing. Stevie B fired one coach because he lost the lockerroom, so it isn't new territory for him. But hell, what do I know?




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