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  1. #211

    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?



    It all comes down to Harbaugh lobbying to keep Cam two years in a row. Taking the entire offseason to change the offense, have it work then yank the cord on it. Then when they want to go back to it, Cam REFUSED. Cam would not take orders from Harbs, he got fired. The offense reverted back to the exact same offense as the last year 2 years with a whole offseason put into changing it. Not even going to go into the protection packages that were asked to be changed. Cameron thought he "owned" the offense. It's customary not to fire a coach midway or at any time during a season because for 2 reasons, It makes it more difficult to hire good coaches in the future, and destroys the reputation of the person fired. Harbs is on the hot seat because he couldn't control HIS coaches which has lost some of his respect with the players.




  2. #212

    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

    @ Captain and Dirt1

    I agree with both of your posts.




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    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    This is a major problem with Harbaugh. Considering he is not an X's and O's guy and his role is primarily limited to motivation and executive management, the only things he needs to get right on game day are challenges, clock management, and overall coordination. He is horrible at all 3 of those things and has never improved.

    It's puzzling how poor Harbaugh's feel for the game of football is overall. It sounds like I'm being very critical of him, and I don't mean to be--he does a lot of things within his responsibility well. But he's got to show some improvement in these areas very quickly.
    HE did not improve yesterday. The poor challenge on Torrey's non-catch and the non-timeout before Joe's pick.

    I am not saying Joe would not have thrown a pick even if a Timeout was called, but even my sister-in-law (a die-hard Ravens fan, but not a extremely knowledgeable fan, better than average though) was shouting "call a time out, call a timeout!!!"
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    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

    It's Now Both
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    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

    I had no problem with the lack of timeout to end the first half (up until the disasterous play). There was plenty of time and we definitely wanted to leave as little time as possible on the clock to prevent a Manning FG response. But we were acting like we were in a rush, which is inexplicable and ultimately costly. It was a terrible effort by someone, and I guess I have to include Harbaugh there.

    The challenge was of course also blatantly stupid. Was just giving away a 2nd half timeout. And the funny thing is he didn't challenge a long first half incompletion on us that looked clearly closer than the one he challenged (for the record I think the first half challenge would have lost as well, but it at least would have been a defensible decision).

    I can't give Harbaugh high marks for yesterday at all. Motivation was down, and the few in-game decisions were either standard (required no special skill) or mistakes.




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    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    I had no problem with the lack of timeout to end the first half (up until the disasterous play). There was plenty of time and we definitely wanted to leave as little time as possible on the clock to prevent a Manning FG response. But we were acting like we were in a rush, which is inexplicable and ultimately costly. It was a terrible effort by someone, and I guess I have to include Harbaugh there.

    The challenge was of course also blatantly stupid. Was just giving away a 2nd half timeout. And the funny thing is he didn't challenge a long first half incompletion on us that looked clearly closer than the one he challenged (for the record I think the first half challenge would have lost as well, but it at least would have been a defensible decision).

    I can't give Harbaugh high marks for yesterday at all. Motivation was down, and the few in-game decisions were either standard (required no special skill) or mistakes.
    This.

    I also questioned not going for 2 when down 34-16 early in the 4th quarter. My buddy said, "The game is over, it doesn't matter". OK..I agree...holding the Broncos scoreless and in the process scoring 2 TDs and 2 successful conversions was not likely.

    But then somebody explain why the hell Harbaugh is then kicking on-side kicks, calling time-outs with 3 minutes to go...having Flacco drop back to pass on the last drive.

    Clearly, this was the WORST coaching performance by Harbaugh. He was awful.




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    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    This.

    I also questioned not going for 2 when down 34-16 early in the 4th quarter. My buddy said, "The game is over, it doesn't matter". OK..I agree...holding the Broncos scoreless and in the process scoring 2 TDs and 2 successful conversions was not likely.

    But then somebody explain why the hell Harbaugh is then kicking on-side kicks, calling time-outs with 3 minutes to go...having Flacco drop back to pass on the last drive.

    Clearly, this was the WORST coaching performance by Harbaugh. He was awful.
    The in-game snafus were horrific. But on top of all that, the players put in no effort after all the chips were down. Torrey Smith and Anquan Boldin were JOGGING THROUGH THEIR ROUTES. Michael Oher wasn't even trying on the last 2 plays of the game that got Flacco blown up with bad sacks.

    You simply can't go through a game with that lack of motivation and discipline and think the coaches are doing a good job. The locker room is collapsing and Harbaugh must be held accountable.




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    What a difference between the Pats last night and the Ravens. Wow those Pats looked out of it but they never stopped fighting. Ravens could have starred in one of those 'want to get away' commercials after the pick 6.




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    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevlar View Post
    What a difference between the Pats last night and the Ravens. Wow those Pats looked out of it but they never stopped fighting. Ravens could have starred in one of those 'want to get away' commercials after the pick 6.
    The team packed it in after the pick 6.




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    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    I had no problem with the lack of timeout to end the first half (up until the disasterous play). There was plenty of time and we definitely wanted to leave as little time as possible on the clock to prevent a Manning FG response. But we were acting like we were in a rush, which is inexplicable and ultimately costly. It was a terrible effort by someone, and I guess I have to include Harbaugh there.

    The challenge was of course also blatantly stupid. Was just giving away a 2nd half timeout. And the funny thing is he didn't challenge a long first half incompletion on us that looked clearly closer than the one he challenged (for the record I think the first half challenge would have lost as well, but it at least would have been a defensible decision).

    I can't give Harbaugh high marks for yesterday at all. Motivation was down, and the few in-game decisions were either standard (required no special skill) or mistakes.
    To be honest, I was telling her, we have plenty of time, we donn't need to call one when we ahve 3 left. But as I was watching them hurry, almost in a panic, I was wishing they would have called one. That turnover is on Flacco but you gotta wonder what if anything would have gone differently had they been settled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    The team packed it in after the pick 6.

    Yeah they did and Denver was ready to be had.....if you were watching on TV you could see the look on Manning's face the first quarter. He even talked about it after the game, knowing we had the opening possession in the 2nd half. A loss is a loss, and this one in on Flacco.....now lets see how he responds next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    To be honest, I was telling her, we have plenty of time, we donn't need to call one when we ahve 3 left. But as I was watching them hurry, almost in a panic, I was wishing they would have called one. That turnover is on Flacco but you gotta wonder what if anything would have gone differently had they been settled.
    At least we would have been in the game.......
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    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    The team packed it in after the pick 6.
    And that's something I did have a big problem with during the game. Then to watch the Patriots come back from the exact same score, but with much less time.




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    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    And that's something I did have a big problem with during the game. Then to watch the Patriots come back from the exact same score, but with much less time.
    That's one thing I was really pissed about. It was a slim chance of winning at that point, but you don't just give up.




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    Re: So is Flacco on the hot seat now, or is it Harbaugh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    The team packed it in after the pick 6.
    No sense of urgency. Which is somewhat understandable when you're down 17 points at halftime & you've practically clinched a postseason spot & only need one win in your last 3 games to get a home game as well. If that's as high as your aspirations go, there really is no urgency.

    Of course if they had somehow managed to fight back & win the game, the Pats' loss last night would have them in line for the #2 seed & a week off. That's why you keep playing hard--who knows what might break in your favor. (What's the old saw about luck being the intersection of opportunity and preparation?)

    I wonder how many of the players saw that result & thought, Damn, we missed a real opportunity. Most if not all, I'd guess. But I really wonder how many then said to themselves, We really blew it--we should have been fighting like sonsofbitches all 60 minutes--& how many Too fucking bad Flacco threw the game away with that pick-6. My guess? Not enough of the former & too damn many of the latter.

    I also wonder how much of the players' demeanor reflects their coach's attitude that the only really important thing to accomplish during the season is to get a ticket to the dance--because nothing happens without it, & once you have it anything can happen. Pusillanimous. As Robert Browning put it,

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