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    Re: Coaching Change?



    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    27th in yards (3 spots worse than us) and 25th in points (15 spots worse.)

    Not even remotely good example. They were shit until the playoffs when they managed to get healthy and string some decent performances together. But on the whole, they were actually pretty terrible.
    So when they playoffs hit, they did play well at times, is that what you're saying?

    BTW - like how you know you stats to support your case, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    So when they playoffs hit, they did play well at times, is that what you're saying?
    Oddly, just around the time they started getting healthy.
    My motto was always to keep swinging. Whether I was in a slump or feeling badly or having trouble off the field, the only thing to do was keep swinging. -Hank Aaron




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    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    Flacco had Q (pretty sure it was Q) open at the goal line if he'd gotten rid of the ball quickly, and he should have known he had to in that situation.
    That was the strip sack play vs Oher, it was Torrey. The play I am referring to was the interception that bounced to a Redskin lineman. Joe tried to get rid of it fast as he could but was hit in about a second and half from the time of the snap. Joe tried to get rid of it, but lousy play construction at a crucial spot in the field.




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    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    Flacco had Q (pretty sure it was Q) open at the goal line if he'd gotten rid of the ball quickly, and he should have known he had to in that situation.
    He did get rid of the ball quickly. The pass rusher was quicker. He started throwing as soon as he hit the end of his drop. It doesn't get any quicker than that.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Oddly, just around the time they started getting healthy.
    Okay. The point is there are teams who have played well despite being decimated by injuries. You said there weren't any, asked for "a" defense that still played well despite injuries. I gave you one, maybe two.

    Pees may not be making this unit perform very well, I don't think that alone would be grounds to fire him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bacchys View Post
    He did get rid of the ball quickly. The pass rusher was quicker. He started throwing as soon as he hit the end of his drop. It doesn't get any quicker than that.
    That's what drives me nuts. Everyone is saying Flacco has to be quicker. He couldn't do anything quicker on that sack/fumble. His arm was going forward as soon as he hit his back foot.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bacchys View Post
    He did get rid of the ball quickly. The pass rusher was quicker. He started throwing as soon as he hit the end of his drop. It doesn't get any quicker than that.
    It does if you make the drop shorter, which is one of the big gripes about Cam's plays. It isn't all on Joe.




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    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    It does if you make the drop shorter, which is one of the big gripes about Cam's plays. It isn't all on Joe.
    Bingo. 3 stop drops and shotgun.




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    Re: Coaching Change -- Cam Cameron has been Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    couldn't believe how poorly Pitts D played against that 'terrible offensive line'. what a crazy league
    The Steelers had a major letdown yesterday after an emotional win against us the week before. San Diego (somehow) showed up to play and Pittsburgh just didn't seen to realize it until much too late. Nice to know the Ravens aren't the only team susceptible to this phenomenon.

    As to Cam being fired, I'm happy to see it even though I'm surprised at the timing. But as others have pointed out, there was little to be lost at this point.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bacchys View Post
    He did get rid of the ball quickly. The pass rusher was quicker. He started throwing as soon as he hit the end of his drop. It doesn't get any quicker than that.
    Both times he tried getting the ball out. First Oher got beat so bad and fast nothing would've mattered, although Joe should've known and stepped up(Strip sack), the second time KO got beat so badly(INT) and even on that Joe had no chance, nowhere to go he couldn't step up because Birk was in his lap.

    The third was the DB coming unblocked, THAT one I fully blame on Joe he should've audibled out and into a run, or a bootleg away from the DB's.




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    Wow. Spent the day moving into my apartment and eating Schnitzel and drinking beer. Took a nap and woke up to the news.

    This has been a long time coming. It looked to me that the past 2 weeks Harbs finally got fed up with Cam. Especially at the end of the half.

    I said it in the off season that when Jim was brought in, that he was Cam's replacement. I don't like the timing. It would have been perfect during the bye week.

    I know Jim has never been a OC. But he did work with/for Peyton during his prime. He should know how to use the middle of the field. I'm confident he'll at least be able to call creative plays, use all of the route tree and trust Flacco.

    Flacco hasn't liked Cam for a few years now. Remember when Zorn was let go and how unhappy he was about it.

    Moving forward this season will be very telling for Joe and this offense. How do they respond to a coaching change in week 14? Will they player harder knowing jobs are on the line, even for a winning team? Will the offensive production change dramaticly?

    Are good questions IMO that we all are very eager to find out the answers.

    After Sunday's loss I was very emotional. I think I posted "fuck this team. fuck them all". While I would never want my team to lose out like some. There was a feeling that I've had enough. Had enough of the under performing, bad clock management, bad play calling, scheme etc. There's just too much inconsistency week to week quarter to quarter. I have huge doubts about this team going forward, even with this coaching change. If anything changing OCs now could possibly make the offense more inconsistent. The Ravens are a virtual lock to make the playoffs...but I have huge doubts about what this team is capable of and how far their go.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dade View Post
    Wow. Spent the day moving into my apartment and eating Schnitzel and drinking beer. Took a nap and woke up to the news.

    This has been a long time coming. It looked to me that the past 2 weeks Harbs finally got fed up with Cam. Especially at the end of the half.

    I said it in the off season that when Jim was brought in, that he was Cam's replacement. I don't like the timing. It would have been perfect during the bye week.

    I know Jim has never been a OC. But he did work with/for Peyton during his prime. He should know how to use the middle of the field. I'm confident he'll at least be able to call creative plays, use all of the route tree and trust Flacco.

    Flacco hasn't liked Cam for a few years now. Remember when Zorn was let go and how unhappy he was about it.

    Moving forward this season will be very telling for Joe and this offense. How do they respond to a coaching change in week 14? Will they player harder knowing jobs are on the line, even for a winning team? Will the offensive production change dramaticly?

    Are good questions IMO that we all are very eager to find out the answers.

    After Sunday's loss I was very emotional. I think I posted "fuck this team. fuck them all". While I would never want my team to lose out like some. There was a feeling that I've had enough. Had enough of the under performing, bad clock management, bad play calling, scheme etc. There's just too much inconsistency week to week quarter to quarter. I have huge doubts about this team going forward, even with this coaching change. If anything changing OCs now could possibly make the offense more inconsistent. The Ravens are a virtual lock to make the playoffs...but I have huge doubts about what this team is capable of and how far their go.
    hey man I was there too I couldn't imagine this Ravens team being so gutless, thats one thing I prided myself asa raven fan was that we were never a gutless team but from pees and cam we have became very fuckin gutless something had to be done, pees better watch his ass.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    Both times he tried getting the ball out. First Oher got beat so bad and fast nothing would've mattered, although Joe should've known and stepped up(Strip sack), the second time KO got beat so badly(INT) and even on that Joe had no chance, nowhere to go he couldn't step up because Birk was in his lap.

    The third was the DB coming unblocked, THAT one I fully blame on Joe he should've audibled out and into a run, or a bootleg away from the DB's.
    I dont blame KO on the Int. He had TWO guys to block. The problem was no TE and worse no RB in backfeild to chip. If their was a RB in backfeild likely no blitz at all, but RR was spit wide Right at the SIDELINE. Never go empty backfeild with no TE's. On 3rd and 5 you have a back to keep defense honest, and block or use as release valve. JUST AWFUL PLAY CALL.




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    They need to fire Cam Cameron.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Okay. The point is there are teams who have played well despite being decimated by injuries. You said there weren't any, asked for "a" defense that still played well despite injuries. I gave you one, maybe two.

    Pees may not be making this unit perform very well, I don't think that alone would be grounds to fire him.
    Still, both the Packers and the Giants can't be compared to what you are saying.
    For the Packers, some of their defensive injuries actually brought in players that were awfully good.
    Their big loss on defense was MLB Barnett.
    The other players not so much of an impact.
    The Packers had playmakers all over that defense that were not injured.

    The Ravens have loss their ONE rusher (NFL Defensive player of the year), their leader in Ray, their best cover corner, another young corner, a defensive lineman, AND then add in the losses in free agency.
    We lost Redding, Jarret Johnson, and both backup safeties.
    That's a lot of turnover AND playmakers in critical spots.
    The losses on the Dline enable everything else to happen.
    Every team has all day to throw, which makes the backend look even worse.
    But they can run all day because we ahve no body that can hold their ground AND Ngata has been playing hurt.
    We now have backups of backups playing at linebacker.

    None of that was the case for the Packers.
    But the Dline trouble is similar to the Giants.
    The Giants stunk up the field on defense UNTIL their starters on the Dline came back.
    Then they had a 4 man rush where anyone of them can get to the QB in a hurry.
    If everyone got healthy, we still don't have any kind of rush like that.




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