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    Re: Don't forget Ngata's hits on RG III



    Quote Originally Posted by Sirdowski View Post
    There's been plenty of good young running QB's in the NFL.

    However, you don't see a whole lot of good old running QB's.

    If he keeps this up he's going to maintain that status quo.
    Just like old pilots, and bold pilots, but few old bold pilots.




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    Re: Don't forget Ngata's hits on RG III

    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    Ngata was flagged for leading with the helmet, not for hitting RGIII above the shoulders.

    I'd love to know how the official standing behind RGIII managed to see it.

    Idiotic call.

    In fairness they had a call on DeAngelo Hall for "hitting too high" when it looked like he either pushed or bumped our WR in the chest or shoulder area, and not all that hard, and on a pass that wasn't so crazy far away that the DB should have stopped playing. The league is getting stupid with these penalties.




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    Re: Don't forget Ngata's hits on RG III

    Quote Originally Posted by NC Raven View Post
    Idiotic call.

    In fairness they had a call on DeAngelo Hall for "hitting too high" when it looked like he either pushed or bumped our WR in the chest or shoulder area, and not all that hard, and on a pass that wasn't so crazy far away that the DB should have stopped playing. The league is getting stupid with these penalties.
    I thought Ngata played his best game of the year. He looked fast and was causing lots of disruption.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    The NFL doesn't want to hurt their budding superstar. That's why Ngata was flagged for a late/helmet hit.

    RG3 isn't going to last long if he keeps running around like that without sliding.
    He was flagged because the helmet popped off after he hit the ground. They called "leading with the helmet," but in the replay you can see his hands out in front and he shoves RG3 over. If the helmet doesn't pop off, the flag might not have come out. Those plays happen so fast the refs have to rely on their impression of the play as much as they do what they see. It's the same in baseball when a veteran pitcher seems to get an extra six inches on the outside of the plate: if the ball looks like it hit the spot the pitcher was aiming at, and the catcher is good and frames it on the corner, the ump calls the strike. He didn't really see the ball: he's calling what he could see and process.




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    Re: Don't forget Ngata's hits on RG III

    Quote Originally Posted by bacchys View Post
    He was flagged because the helmet popped off after he hit the ground. They called "leading with the helmet," but in the replay you can see his hands out in front and he shoves RG3 over. If the helmet doesn't pop off, the flag might not have come out. Those plays happen so fast the refs have to rely on their impression of the play as much as they do what they see. It's the same in baseball when a veteran pitcher seems to get an extra six inches on the outside of the plate: if the ball looks like it hit the spot the pitcher was aiming at, and the catcher is good and frames it on the corner, the ump calls the strike. He didn't really see the ball: he's calling what he could see and process.
    Agreed 100%. Refs are taught to throw a flag when in doubt. If it's a bang bang play and looks "bad", they will throw that flag 10/10 times.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds View Post
    RG3 is going to go the way of Vick if he doesn't learned to slide, he hurt his back, neck and head all in one game.
    I agree.

    RGIII also needs to take some lessons from Donovan McNabb. The Eagles let him sacrafice his body for years before they started getting him better WR's. By then his body was so beat up, he couldn't even be a pocket passer if he tried (and he did try). No reason for RGIII to learn those same lessons the hard way.




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    Re: Don't forget Ngata's hits on RG III

    McNabb never really had the accuracy to be a good pocket passer.




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    Re: Don't forget Ngata's hits on RG III

    Many would say the same about Joe-lol.

    Great posts everyone.




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    Re: Don't forget Ngata's hits on RG III

    RG3's gotta learn to slide--that injury doesn't happen if his leg doesn't go flying up just as the DT-92 Devastator came roaring in on a low-level run.




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    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    RG3's gotta learn to slide--that injury doesn't happen if his leg doesn't go flying up just as the DT-92 Devastator came roaring in on a low-level run.
    Sliding didn't help Trent Green. Staying in the pocket didn't help Joe Theisman. Its a rough sport. When you have 300lbs guys running full speed into 200lbs guys something is going to give. Usually the 200lbs guys bones.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevlar View Post
    Sliding didn't help Trent Green. Staying in the pocket didn't help Joe Theisman. Its a rough sport. When you have 300lbs guys running full speed into 200lbs guys something is going to give. Usually the 200lbs guys bones.
    The point is to reduce risk, not eliminate it. As you said, it's impossible.
    “Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.”

    –Eleanor Roosevelt




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    Re: Don't forget Ngata's hits on RG III

    Joe Theisman played in 163 consecutive games including the SB throwing from the pocket before going down on that fateful Monday night game. Check out his rings in the pic.

    Johnny U's TD record which stood for decades until Brees just broke it came from staying in the pocket from the early 50s til the early 70s.

    Like said, the idea is to protect the QB by minimizing hits, not eliminating them. Unitas couldn't comb his hair from arthritis sustained from all those games.


    http://www.joetheismann.com/Joe_Theismann/Bio.html

    Here's the famous pic of Unitas throwing the ball vs the Giants in the 58 Championship
    game - from the pocket.

    Note the bodies knocked on the ground by that famous pocket.

    http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/spo...to-poster.html
    Last edited by AirFlacco; 12-10-2012 at 07:30 PM.




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    There was one play where a guy hit Unitas not only late after the play but he jumped on his back while he was lying on his stomach. He was flagged but Arty said he should have been banned.

    Unitas got up and went in the huddle and told his tackle the famous Jim Parker to let the guy in. Jim said huh? John said just do it.

    So Jim let him in and the guy had a big smile on his face as he was closing in on John when suddenly Johnny threw the ball right in his nuts
    at point blank range and the guy went down.

    He never bothered Unitas again.




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