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    Re: Is everybody really overlooking this?



    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenous1 View Post
    HUH????
    This whole post just shows a complete lack of football knowledge.
    Why would you put yourself in a position to allow a TD and PAT tie the game if you miss the 2 pt conversion.
    If you think the board is on a witch hunt now...geez....
    Going for the 2 pt conversion there is the wrong move period the end.....it would have been an EPIC demonstration of stupidity
    No, football knowledge as a coach is going along with the flow of the game. You play to win the game (pun intended). But, since we play not to lose, let's be conservative and kick the extra point.




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    Re: Is everybody really overlooking this?

    You're right, Harbaugh is an idiot! Let's blame him, and not the D that gave up a 90 yard drive and TD to a backup QB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akashicrecorder View Post
    I thought we only had one time-out?
    This comment sums up our coaching staff




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    Re: Is everybody really overlooking this?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    I'm more angry about 38 seconds and a couple time outs and not even trying to move down the field to kick a game winning FG before even having to worry about OT.
    I was about to post this. How spineless is that? Three quick completions and you are at the edge of FG range for Tucker. Harbaugh coaches scared.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Logan View Post
    On the last td, Harbaugh elected to kick the extra point to make it 28-20 instead of going for 2 and possibly make it 29-20 and a 2 possession game. Even if the 2 pt fails, its still 27-20 and this isn't college so they won't go for 2 to win the game when they score. IMO, that is what cost us the game. Everyone wants to point the finger at Cam and Pees, but the head coach is what is holding this team back. He is the one who needs to grow some nuts and fire Cam and play to WIN the game, not play to not lose the game.
    There's plenty of things to pin on the coaches in this game.

    This isn't even close to being one of them.
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    Re: Is everybody really overlooking this?

    I'm in full agreement that Harbaugh and the coaching staff made numerous mistakes. However, going for the XP in that situations is NOT one of them. There is zero, zilch, nada chance of any coach (other then maybe Belichek when he gets in one of his crazy moods) going for 2 pts in that situation. I know the Ravens played shitty, I know the coaches can be boneheads a lot and we're all frustrated as hell but going for 1 and not 2 in that situation was the correct call and not one of those mistakes.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    We already discussed this thoroughly when the exact same thing came up in the Dallas game. And needless to say, but the decision is not anywhere close to automatic.

    Your argument/claim makes the same errors that a lot of people in that thread made, namely looking at the risk and not the reward of the other option.

    I will try to find the other thread so you can look at the math and see the assumptions that have to be made in order to make going for 2 the best option. Suffice it to say that it is not always an EPIC demonstration of stupidity. Though saying it is could be an EPIC display...
    Except I'm pretty sure the math doesn't back you up here. I believe the odds of converting are slightly under 50%.




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    Quote Originally Posted by MD Boy View Post
    I'm surprised it's been overlooked that we won the coin toss in OT and we chose to Receive rather than Punt.

    Rookie QB coming off the bench - yes, I'm aware he already scored a TD on us - but you hold them to a 3 & Out and play for field position.

    With the new rules, I thought that was the strategy?

    Agreed. If you even score a FG you dont win. The other team has a chance to win and will playing with 4 downs. YOU KICK when you win the toss. VERY STUPID TEAMS THESE RAVENS ARE.




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    Quote Originally Posted by GaTechRavens View Post
    Except I'm pretty sure the math doesn't back you up here. I believe the odds of converting are slightly under 50%.
    The math backs me, because all the math says is that there are assumptions that make the 2-pt conversion the correct call, and that is all I am saying. The assumptions required may not back the decision to go for 2 here, but that is a separate issue. The two odds one needs to consider are your own odds of making a 2 and the opponents odds of making the two. But in general I agree, my assumptions for both would lean towards kicking it, just like against Dallas. But it is relatively close, which is what I want to make sure people understand (and most do not).




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    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    We aready discussed this thoroughly when the exact same thing came up in the Dallas game. And needless to say but the decision is not anywhere close to automatic.

    You are argument makes the same errors that a lot of people in that thread made, namely looking at the risk and not the reward of the other option.

    I will try to find the other thread so you can look at the math and see the assumptions that have to be made in order to make going for 2 the best option. Suffice it to say that it is not always an EPIC demonstration of stupidity. Though saying it is could be an EPIC display...
    I see no scenario were making a team score both the TD and the 2pt conversion is not beneficial.

    Yes getting the 2pt conversion ensures the win, IF YOU MAKE IT.

    By going for it, you put the pressure of successfully converting it on your team instead of the opposition. That makes no sense to me. I agree with the decision. You have the opportunity to make the opposing team put the ball in the end zone TWICE, you make em do it. The fact the Ravens were not able to stop them is why they lost...not the decision.

    If they had gone for two there and missed and then the Skins tied the game on a TD and PAT are you seriously gonna tell me you would have been ok with that? Even so, I would venture the vast vast majority of NFL coaches would not even give going for 2pt there a second thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Agreed. If you even score a FG you dont win. The other team has a chance to win and will playing with 4 downs. YOU KICK when you win the toss. VERY STUPID TEAMS THESE RAVENS ARE.
    I was shocked with the decision. Basically, the strategy we should have implemented at the beginning of OT backfired on us and all the Redskins needed was a FG to win it after our 3 & Out and they gained great field position on the punt return.

    Imagine now the inverse, where we hold them to 3 & Out and Jones runs it back for favorable field position putting us in the position to win it with Tucker's leg.




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    Re: Is everybody really overlooking this?

    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    This comment sums up our coaching staff
    Wanna take the condescension down a notch?

    I was asking because I really want to know the exact situation, not to vindicate the coaches for going Turtle Mode.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    Agreed. If you even score a FG you dont win. The other team has a chance to win and will playing with 4 downs. YOU KICK when you win the toss. VERY STUPID TEAMS THESE RAVENS ARE.
    Not necessarily true. You kick they score a TD, you lose without getting the ball. Then fans yell at you.

    You receive and score a TD and its over.

    In general, if the offenses are getting the better of the defenses you certainly receive. If not, it becomes a decision, but still riskier as a coach to kick away (and never see the ball and lose).




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    Re: Is everybody really overlooking this?

    http://www.theredzone.org/Features/T...sionChart.aspx

    Thats the chart most NFL coaches go by.....it clearly states taking the PAT.

    If you want to make an argument for going for it, its not based on Math its based on gut feeling or a conviction that your D cant keep them out the end zone and stop the two point conversion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Not necessarily true. You kick they score a TD, you lose without getting the ball. Then fans yell at you.

    You receive and score a TD and its over.

    In general, if the offenses are getting the better of the defenses you certainly receive. If not, it becomes a decision, but still riskier as a coach to kick away (and never see the ball and lose).
    All of your arguments work on the assumption that your defense cant stop them. You cant just make that assumption...even with an injury ridden D

    Going for two there would have been dumb. It would have made it easier for the Skins to tie. Instead of arguing about the call which was correct...... worry about the D which let them get it and maybe, just maybe give the Skins some credit for some good playcalling ...something we know nothing about here.
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