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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread



    Is it conceivable for us to draft both Barrett Jones and CJ Mosley? Or will Mosley be gone by the time our turn comes in the second?




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenalytics View Post
    Is it conceivable for us to draft both Barrett Jones and CJ Mosley? Or will Mosley be gone by the time our turn comes in the second?
    Mosley isn't entering the draft.

    Barret Jones is a real possibility.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I know we drafted late(25) and traded 2 picks(3+4) for Boldin, but I said it then(trust me I was basically rn off the board) and I'll say it again.

    I can't find a team in the league that got LESS from the 2010 draft then the Baltimroe Ravens. Hell, the Freaking Raiders got Veldheer, who I'd retroactively trade our whole entire draft for. As noted above, it was instantly puzzling picking Dickson over Graham and Hernandez, and then backing it up with yet another TE that can't block his way out fo a wet paper bag. The first two picks were IMMEDIATELY very troublesome, and SCREAMED bust, by the combine at the latest. All I heard for basically an entire year, was "Trust in OZ" and "Who are you that you think you know better then the best FO in football", etc. In one of the deepest drafts in the history of football, we got basically NIL. 2 years later when the biggest contributors you have left are a "good backup" level TE and a "potential starting 5 technique" it's pretty sad. There were legit starters drafted on day 3 o that draft.


    I know I was definitely someone who has believed that Ozzie and DeCosta were making good selections. I still think they're capable of it...but my god...2 drafts in a row (3 if you consider that Jimmy hasn't REALLY panned out yet and Jah isn't doing very well) where they have missed on a lot of NFL starters. Thank God for Torrey Smith and Pernell McPhee.

    I had major hopes that Dickson and Pitta could turn into a pretty solid unit, but Dickson can't block and can't catch. While Pitta isn't a great blocker, he does have really good hands and he makes a lot of plays as a receiver. I don't think Pitta is anywhere NEAR the player that Gronk, Hernandez, or Graham are, but he is still pretty damn good.

    Jimmy Graham was the one guy that I really wanted to see the Ravens draft. To have a receiver/TE like him...I don't know. Truthfully, he probably wouldn't be used properly in the Air Coryell offense, but that dude is damn near impossible to cover.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    McShay's latest mock has us taking Corey Lemonier. Don't know anything about him. Anyone have thoughts? I don't see DE/OLB as our biggest need in the first round (I'd rather take a DT, ILB, or G/C).




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenalytics View Post
    McShay's latest mock has us taking Corey Lemonier. Don't know anything about him. Anyone have thoughts? I don't see DE/OLB as our biggest need in the first round (I'd rather take a DT, ILB, or G/C).
    No thanks.

    Injury concerns and he is kind of a 1 trick pony.

    I'd love to see the Ravens get another pass rusher, but there will be better options over Lemonier.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post


    I know I was definitely someone who has believed that Ozzie and DeCosta were making good selections. I still think they're capable of it...but my god...2 drafts in a row (3 if you consider that Jimmy hasn't REALLY panned out yet and Jah isn't doing very well) where they have missed on a lot of NFL starters. Thank God for Torrey Smith and Pernell McPhee.

    I had major hopes that Dickson and Pitta could turn into a pretty solid unit, but Dickson can't block and can't catch. While Pitta isn't a great blocker, he does have really good hands and he makes a lot of plays as a receiver. I don't think Pitta is anywhere NEAR the player that Gronk, Hernandez, or Graham are, but he is still pretty damn good.

    Jimmy Graham was the one guy that I really wanted to see the Ravens draft. To have a receiver/TE like him...I don't know. Truthfully, he probably wouldn't be used properly in the Air Coryell offense, but that dude is damn near impossible to cover.

    I like Pitta, I really do. Had we drafted Gronkowski, then Pitta would have been a GREAT fit in the Hernandez role at a lower cost point. Moeaki was another guy I REALLY liked in tha draft, and coincidnetally Michael Hoomanawanui, who was carved out a nice niche in NE with Gronk out.

    CB was my biggest contention with the draft at the time, but then Josh WIlson happenned, and shut me up. I'm going to wave a similar flag this year, however this year it's 1st or 2nd round LT or bust... I suppose Clady, Long, and maybe even Brandon Albert would change my mind. I doubt the availability of Veldheer, and Vollmer, and the like but I'd be fine with either of them also.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    No thanks.

    Injury concerns and he is kind of a 1 trick pony.

    I'd love to see the Ravens get another pass rusher, but there will be better options over Lemonier.
    I like Suggs and Upshaw as bookends. I think Kruger needs to be replaced, as he will likel get overpaid elsewhere, but to me, 5 technique is the bigger need. We absolutely need to sure up the spot opposite Ngata and reduce his workload while ALSO allowing him to shift to NT some. I like the combo of Art Jones and McPhee, but think one more player, hopefully better then either, would really benefit this team.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I like Suggs and Upshaw as bookends. I think Kruger needs to be replaced, as he will likel get overpaid elsewhere, but to me, 5 technique is the bigger need. We absolutely need to sure up the spot opposite Ngata and reduce his workload while ALSO allowing him to shift to NT some. I like the combo of Art Jones and McPhee, but think one more player, hopefully better then either, would really benefit this team.
    If McPhee, Suggs and Ngata return 100% then yup all we need is an NT that can collapse the pocket and we'll have a top tier unit up front.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I like Suggs and Upshaw as bookends. I think Kruger needs to be replaced, as he will likel get overpaid elsewhere, but to me, 5 technique is the bigger need. We absolutely need to sure up the spot opposite Ngata and reduce his workload while ALSO allowing him to shift to NT some. I like the combo of Art Jones and McPhee, but think one more player, hopefully better then either, would really benefit this team.
    A NT prospect may not happen in this draft. Unfortunately, there really are only 2 solid NT prospects (Jon Hankins and Star Lotulelei) and they'll be top 10 picks. Jon Jenkins out of Georgia is interesting, but I'm not 100% on him. Jesse Williams out of Alabama is the other, but he has some durability concerns. Still, he'd be a solid section in the 3rd round.

    Then you have a bunch of mammoth guys like Kwame Geathers and Dan McCullers...but I can't honestly say they'd be any different than Cody.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    No need for a 5 technique IMO, let McPhee and Art Jones continue their development. Terrence Knighton is the solution to our nT problem, he will come cheaper than you'd think too. he absolutely destroyed Bryant Mckinnie and Michael Oher in the pre season game when they came down here.

    This draft is all got to be Oline, Oline, and more Oline.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    No need for a 5 technique IMO, let McPhee and Art Jones continue their development. Terrence Knighton is the solution to our nT problem, he will come cheaper than you'd think too. he absolutely destroyed Bryant Mckinnie and Michael Oher in the pre season game when they came down here.

    This draft is all got to be Oline, Oline, and more Oline.
    Part of why I want a 5 technique is two-fold. Ngata plays too many snaps, and I could see him transitioning to NT as he ages.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    No need for a 5 technique IMO, let McPhee and Art Jones continue their development. Terrence Knighton is the solution to our nT problem, he will come cheaper than you'd think too. he absolutely destroyed Bryant Mckinnie and Michael Oher in the pre season game when they came down here.

    This draft is all got to be Oline, Oline, and more Oline.
    Yeah, I would welcome a Knighton signing. The kid has majorly fallen out of favor in Jacksonville, he's not even starting over there anymore, but that doesn't matter for us. He'd only be a part-timer for us anyway, but is a huge upgrade over Creampuff Cody, the weakest 350 pound man I've ever seen.

    Obviously I'm still beating the drum for my man Kenny Phillips, but at this point I don't know how much the organization will want to spend on defense in FA. The offense is just majorly thin right now. They need a LT terribly, possibly a LG and/or C, probably a WR, possibly a QB... probably a blocking TE.... TONS of holes...




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Yeah, I would welcome a Knighton signing. The kid has majorly fallen out of favor in Jacksonville, he's not even starting over there anymore, but that doesn't matter for us. He'd only be a part-timer for us anyway, but is a huge upgrade over Creampuff Cody, the weakest 350 pound man I've ever seen.

    Obviously I'm still beating the drum for my man Kenny Phillips, but at this point I don't know how much the organization will want to spend on defense in FA. The offense is just majorly thin right now. They need a LT terribly, possibly a LG and/or C, probably a WR, possibly a QB... probably a blocking TE.... TONS of holes...
    I'm also a HUGE fan of Philips, also like Daryl Smith. Kenny Philips won't be that expensive, he's sat most of the year out, and almost certainly won't be back with NYG. The best thing about him, is he's only 25 years old, he is 6'2 and would make a sizeable and physical safety partnership with Bernard Pollard. Could be the hardest hitting safety tandem in this league if we were to land Philips. Another guy to look at is Tracy Porter who only signed a one year deal with Denver. He has played well this year, and our CB depth isn't certain next season.

    I honestly think this draft should be totally on offense, which is why, if we somehow have the cap room, we use all of that room on improving the defense.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    Part of why I want a 5 technique is two-fold. Ngata plays too many snaps, and I could see him transitioning to NT as he ages.
    He certaintly could do it but i think it's a non featured position that makes it even easier for him to be double teamed




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I'm also a HUGE fan of Philips, also like Daryl Smith. Kenny Philips won't be that expensive, he's sat most of the year out, and almost certainly won't be back with NYG. The best thing about him, is he's only 25 years old, he is 6'2 and would make a sizeable and physical safety partnership with Bernard Pollard. Could be the hardest hitting safety tandem in this league if we were to land Philips. Another guy to look at is Tracy Porter who only signed a one year deal with Denver. He has played well this year, and our CB depth isn't certain next season.

    I honestly think this draft should be totally on offense, which is why, if we somehow have the cap room, we use all of that room on improving the defense.
    I think we could get Tracy Porter on a 1 yr make good deal, he's a quality corner, Chris Harris is just playing to well to get that job back




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