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  1. #916

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread



    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    Also looking into Reid going to the Chiefs. Bowe will be a FA and won't be back. Cassel will liekly be cut and would be a good backup pickup for Joe. Other than that Reid is a 4-3 guy and the've been running the 3-4. So does he dump a 3-4 end that doesn't fit his scheme like Dorsey?
    Why do people assume that the Chiefs are just going to let guys like Albert and Bowe leave?

    If anything Reid being there would make staying home a LOT more attractive to Bowe and I can't imagine Reid would want to just let his only proven WR leave...especially considering how much he relies on the pass.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Why do people assume that the Chiefs are just going to let guys like Albert and Bowe leave?

    If anything Reid being there would make staying home a LOT more attractive to Bowe and I can't imagine Reid would want to just let his only proven WR leave...especially considering how much he relies on the pass.
    Dig it.

    So let's be 100% certain here...those decisions were already made this week during negotiations b/c that's just how it works at that level. Before you commit to a job like this, you set conditions and get ownership/chief executive approval on your strategy and goals. If I was GM or "coach with personnel control", I'd keep them both, but if the owner forced me to prioritize, I'd take Bowe over Albert.

    KC scored an unbelievably piss-poor and NFL worst 211 points this year. That's six TDs worse than the #31 place team. Or looking at it another way...less than two TDs per game. So no way in hell does KC/Reid not back-up the truck for his #1 WR Bowe. And it has been said upthread and in the "Black Monday" thread IIRC that they have considerable cap room as well. However, it is still Bowe's decision to make, so I would think that part of Reid's "table setting" this past week included face-to-face meetings with both Bowe (and Albert.)




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    I just wanted to throw a real quick 5 round Ravens-only mock including compensatory picks. I believe the Ravens will receive 2 4th's (Ben Grubbs and Jarrett Johnson) a 5th (Corey Redding) and a 6th (Tom Zbikowski). Obviously I'm not including the 6th.

    1. Matt Elam, Safety, Florida - The Ravens' best shot at a successor to Ed Reed. Elam doesn't have quite the same ballhawking ability as a centerfielder as the future HOFer, but he plays very well in coverage and flies around the field like a heat seeking missile despite his smaller frame at 5'10, 200. He plays like a Raven, and I think he'll be a day one starter at free safety.

    2. Khaseem Greene, Linebacker, Rutgers - This might be a little high for Greene, but he's in the 2nd-3rd range and could easily shoot up draft boards. He only goes 6'1, 230, but I hear undersized linebackers often do pretty well in the NFL and Greene is an absolute tackling machine with great athletic ability and football skills. He can run with backs and TEs in man coverage and has the instincts and range to play well in zone coverage. Rarely for a college player, you can tell from his play that he spends time watching film, and he's a leader and general on the field.

    3. Ricky Wagner, Offensive Tackle, Wisconsin - Opinions on Wagner are kind of all across the board. Some have him as a 6th round pick, some have him as a 2nd round pick. I tend more towards the latter. Wisconsin's offense has been totally dependent on quality line player over the past few years and Wagner has delivered at both tackle spots, particularly at left tackle over the past few years. At 6'6, 320 with nice length, he has power in the run game and athleticism in pass pro. His technique and footwork are close to NFL ready, and I am projecting him at LT in the NFL. He could easily replace Michael Oher and maybe sooner rather than later.

    4. Ryan Swope, Wide Receiver, Texas A&M - Swope has been one of college football's most underrated receivers over the last few years. I predict him to continue to go underrated in the 2013 draft, as I doubt he'll impress at the Combine at 6'1, 208 with a 40 time probably no better than 4.5 or so. Swope can play outside or inside and shows great quickness out of his breaks with speed to run after the catch and separate from CBs downfield. He's a fiery player who isn't afraid to get physical with DBs. He would be a great successor for Anquan Boldin.

    4. (compensatory) Mario Benavides, Center, Louisville - The Ravens stay on the offensive side of the ball and particularly on the line with another prospect who shows more on the field than one would think from his measurables. The Ravens hope Gradkowski can lock down an interior line spot, but he may fit better at guard than center and if Birk retires, they will have no one on the roster besides Gino that has real experience snapping the football and must add depth. Benavides has been great in Louisville's zone-blocking scheme and projects to play best in the same system in the NFL. His 6'4 290 frame may appear questionable to some, but technique and leverage beat pure mass every time, as Mario showed when he held up well against Florida's elite DTs in run and pass.

    4. (compensatory) Jordan Hill, Defensive Tackle, Penn State - Hill could easily go higher than this particularly with a good Senior Bowl, but right now his tricky knee and lack of ideal size might push him down. Hill is not as good a fit for the 3-4, but if the Ravens use more 4-3 looks next year Hill is a great fit as a 3-tech gap-shooting under tackle. He might only be 6'1 290, but his good first step and use of hands make Hill a real sleeper as an interior pass rusher--a position you can never have enough of.

    5. Michael Williams, Tight End, Alabama - Williams was a great blocker at the TE position for Alabama and is ready to step in and play the same role in the NFL. At 6'6 270, he has ideal size and good enough technique. He's a bit better of an athlete than one would think and could play a role as a red-zone target.

    5. (compensatory) Meshak Williams, DE/OLB, Kansas State - Another underrated prospect, Williams was a JUCO transfer to Kansas State in 2011 and played only as a nickel/pass rush specialist in his junior year. This year, he grabbed hold of the RDE spot and wreaked havoc on offensive tackles all year long. He's still raw, but has the potential to stand out as a nickel pass rusher and special-teams contributor.

    Would appreciate any feedback.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post

    1. Matt Elam, Safety, Florida - The Ravens' best shot at a successor to Ed Reed. Elam doesn't have quite the same ballhawking ability as a centerfielder as the future HOFer, but he plays very well in coverage and flies around the field like a heat seeking missile despite his smaller frame at 5'10, 200. He plays like a Raven, and I think he'll be a day one starter at free safety.
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    Really? I think we'd go with Eric Reid over Elam.




  5. #920

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    If our first pick isn't on an ILB or Interior DL I'm gunna be upset. Reed leaving should definitely be addressed, but I'm not blown away by Elam or Reid and I think they are the only two that will be there and are potential value




  6. #921

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenalytics View Post
    Really? I think we'd go with Eric Reid over Elam.
    From what I've seen of Reid he's really struggled this year without elite talent around him especially in coverage. He was very good in 2011 but he needed to show he was a lockdown coverage player without Claiborne, Mathieu and Taylor and he didn't do that this year.

    IMO Elam and Vaccaro are tied for top safeties in the class. I'd be happy with either of them, but the consensus seems to be Vaccaro is going to go in the top 20.

    Quote Originally Posted by runrayrun27 View Post
    If our first pick isn't on an ILB or Interior DL I'm gunna be upset. Reed leaving should definitely be addressed, but I'm not blown away by Elam or Reid and I think they are the only two that will be there and are potential value
    I just don't see the positional value for ILB or interior DL at that spot. I did the mock by listing the players in each round I felt had the best chance to be both the BPA and a good fit. There's no BPA DL or ILB at #25 overall.




  7. #922

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I just don't see the positional value for ILB or interior DL at that spot. I did the mock by listing the players in each round I felt had the best chance to be both the BPA and a good fit. There's no BPA DL or ILB at #25 overall.
    Was Jenkins gone? I'm big on him for this team. Him beside Ngata makes sense to me




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Why do people assume that the Chiefs are just going to let guys like Albert and Bowe leave?

    If anything Reid being there would make staying home a LOT more attractive to Bowe and I can't imagine Reid would want to just let his only proven WR leave...especially considering how much he relies on the pass.
    Because Bowe isn't exactly a TD machine. Isn't that burner guy and just doesn't fit what I think of as Reid's system. They have the cap room, I really see them making a run at a Mike Wallace since Pitts isn't gonna have much money to sign him.

    Just my .02 of course

    What their gonna do in the draft beats me, I'm guessing they skip on the wanna be QB's coming out and go D, even though they have a ton of talent over on that side. And I bet Andy tries to lure Kolb in, or maybe evn going and picking up Jason Campbell whom he's familiar with because of playing him twice a year. But putting money into Bowe over Wallace, for Andy's sytem mind you, doesn't make sense. Add in Kolb or Campbell along with that rushing attack, a piece or 2 on the OL and their gonna be really good really quick.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    5. (compensatory) Meshak Williams, DE/OLB, Kansas State - Another underrated prospect, Williams was a JUCO transfer to Kansas State in 2011 and played only as a nickel/pass rush specialist in his junior year. This year, he grabbed hold of the RDE spot and wreaked havoc on offensive tackles all year long. He's still raw, but has the potential to stand out as a nickel pass rusher and special-teams contributor.

    Would appreciate any feedback.
    Lol, I JUST asked about this kid. he looked really good in the Fiesta owl against oregon and dealing with their QB and fast moving offense. Def a good project tweener that maybe could fill the void left by Kruger. From what I read he has a high football IQ just isn't very good in coverage and space, but incredibly smart to read run vs pass, soooooo in a 3rd and long he'd recognize maybe a screen instead of a pass and so on. Seems like a very good 3rd down LB to me.




  10. #925

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    A lot of LSU fans say Reid has had a bad year but I don't agree. He has looked bad when he's been put in man to man coverage. There aren't many safeties that can cover Wrs tho. Elam is the real deal tho, he's really instinctive. Either way I think both guys are more Goldson than Eric Berry.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    This is too simplistic of a picture. Cody can't play--as in, at all. His technique is among the worst I've ever seen on the defensive line and he totally lacks functional strength. As an interior lineman, you do at least one of two things every down (preferably both): anchor, and penetrate. Cody doesn't have the strength to anchor or the speed to penetrate. At this point, he has to be presumed a bust. If he can come back next year and play well, then let him prove it, but he absolutely can't be relied on and the team needs to upgrade. Apart from that I do agree that we have enough young talent at interior DL to work with.

    Suggs is probably never going to play at a Pro Bowl level again. He played well in his first game back against the Texans, but apart from that he's been mostly average. He'll be 31 this year and he's one of the oldest 31 year olds in the NFL as he's already a 10 year vet with several serious injuries. Does he even have 3 years left in the NFL? We need to begin looking for a replacement at rush DE/OLB.

    Those are just a couple of serious concerns you seem to be overlooking. You're also assuming we'll have guys like Ellerbe and Ihedigbo back... but those 2 are both free agents and the team is cash-strapped. Failing to retain Ellerbe would be catastrophic, but it absolutely could happen especially if a long-term deal can't be reached with Flacco. Ihedigbo is a nice 3rd safety/dime package/special teams player but as I said he's a FA anyway and even if he's retained they need to add someone at FS. Christian Thompson is a total unknown and not a lock to even make the team next year.

    This team has more needs than people realize particularly on the defensive side of the ball.
    Terrance Cody is only in his third year and this is only his second year with significant playing time. If you look at how far he had to come, from a physical standpoint, I believe he has more room to grow. He had to improve physically. He has really done that. Now, he needs to work on his technique. That takes time. Time that us Ravens fans don't like to give, because we've never really had to give it before. At least, not since the late 90's.

    Ihedibo would do just fine as a replacement to Ed Reed. Rather than relying on him to make the sort of plays that Reed made, you would simply expect him to play the position, more along the way it was meant to be played, without the risk taking that Reed did.

    Dannell Ellerbe will not be difficult to re-sign, because his position has been devalued over the years. There were about a half dozen quality ILBs sitting on the market for weeks, this past off-season.

    Even though Suggs' tear was only a partial, it would be difficult to expect more than what you have from Suggs this year. He just needs to get healthy. I agree that they need to think about life after him, but that would only be depth for now. Which is all I said they needed to begin with. Every team could use more depth, seemingly, every off-season.

    I don't see how you would expect them to add another FS, who wouldn't need time to develop, if you are already concerned about their salary cap situation. You draft guys to develop them. Let Ihedibo hold it down for a year. I think he's earned the opportunity to compete for that spot. Meanwhile, develop Christian Thompson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    Because Bowe isn't exactly a TD machine. Isn't that burner guy and just doesn't fit what I think of as Reid's system. They have the cap room, I really see them making a run at a Mike Wallace since Pitts isn't gonna have much money to sign him.

    Just my .02 of course

    What their gonna do in the draft beats me, I'm guessing they skip on the wanna be QB's coming out and go D, even though they have a ton of talent over on that side. And I bet Andy tries to lure Kolb in, or maybe evn going and picking up Jason Campbell whom he's familiar with because of playing him twice a year. But putting money into Bowe over Wallace, for Andy's sytem mind you, doesn't make sense. Add in Kolb or Campbell along with that rushing attack, a piece or 2 on the OL and their gonna be really good really quick.
    Reid runs a WCO and Bowe is exactly what you need in a WCO...a big guy who can run after the catch.

    No way are they just letting him walk.

    And with their cap room, they could re-sign him and sign Wallace.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post

    Reid runs a WCO and Bowe is exactly what you need in a WCO...a big guy who can run after the catch.

    No way are they just letting him walk.

    And with their cap room, they could re-sign him and sign Wallace.
    Which they very well may do.

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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

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    Which they very well may do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    Cassell needs all of the help he can get.
    Honestly, they could bring in Calvin Johnson and it wouldn't help him. Cassell is just too timid to be an NFL QB.
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