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  1. #706

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread



    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    You know, after watching the Cuse/WVU game...I'm not so sure how a team could be sold on Geno Smith as the #1 overall pick.

    Someone is going to be severely disappointed if they think that they are going to take Geno #1 overall and he's going to perform like RGIII has for the Skins or Luck for the Colts. Geno is good...but he isn't anywhere near the product that Luck and RGIII were.
    I agree, gonna be interesting to see what direction they go. Looking at the top tier players you have to think they are praying someone falls in love with one of the top prospects enough to move up, which i doubt.




  2. #707

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    You know, after watching the Cuse/WVU game...I'm not so sure how a team could be sold on Geno Smith as the #1 overall pick.

    Someone is going to be severely disappointed if they think that they are going to take Geno #1 overall and he's going to perform like RGIII has for the Skins or Luck for the Colts. Geno is good...but he isn't anywhere near the product that Luck and RGIII were.
    Agreed. You just can't get away with looking that bad given that Syracuse's defense isn't even great and the guys around him played fine. I think he's out of the conversation for #1 overall pick unless he makes up a ton of ground between now and draft day.

    I still think he is a potential franchise QB, but he isn't #1 overall material. A #1 overall QB is a guy that will be asked to come into a bad team without a lot of weapons and really elevate everyone's play, and Gino isn't that. If I were Kansas City, I would love to trade down and get him still in the top 10, but now adding an extra pick or two to surround him with another receiver or lineman. If I were Scott Pioli, I would trade down a few spots and grab Gino, then get to work spending all that excess cap space KC has.

    Re-sign Branden Albert, sign Greg Jennings, use the 3rd you got for trading down to grab Stedman Bailey... now you've surrounded your QB with some weapons and protection to make sure he doesn't bust. I'd also go out and upgrade on their coaching staff, bring in an offensive guru who knows how to work with a young QB... maybe Jay Gruden?




  3. #708

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Where is this notion that the Ravens can sign Branden Albert coming from? The Chiefs have oodles of cap space and will have a new QB in 2013 that they need to surround with talent. Albert is a good left tackle--not elite, but certainly good enough.

    If the Chiefs aren't able to resign him I have little doubt they'll franchise him. Even taking into consideration that Albert is a local kid, I highly doubt he'll be in purple and black next year. If we get a new LT it'll be through the draft. There's almost no point in debating otherwise.
    The Albert fans and I aren't making predictions, we're just working through scenarios and possibilities. Without putting up a wall of text to explain, I think the Albert situation is the most likely FA solution to our LT problem. However, this does not mean that it's most likely that we will pursue an FA fix to our LT problem. That is what you and a few others are proposing--a Draft solution, not an FA solution, is the more likely approach....and that's perfectly fine. The matter is not one of debate, just opinion. Until our existing roster moves shake out (first week of March?), there's really no use in debating which path is best; there are just too many variables IMO.




  4. #709

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I've been saying all along that people are underrating how much of a need free safety is for this team. I really don't see Ed Reed being back--the team's not going to sign him for the kind of money he'll want, and if they try to franchise him I think he would just retire--then maybe try to come back for 2014.
    Yup...that hit me a little bit ago, but I didn't get a chance to watch Elam and Reid until yesterday, but in just a few minutes of viewing, it was clear that he was our kind of guy. I had seen Thomas a little bit ago, but he looked to be too much of a freelancer, and often out of position like Ed. So I don't think we pass on Elam at all, but I could see CIN snagging him just ahead of us.

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Inside linebacker isn't a big priority at this point presuming they can resign Ellerbe... which I think they can do. Next to him will be either Jameel or Ray (in the unlikely event Ray comes back) and they have Bynes as a quality reserve. They could still use depth at the position but they don't need to use early picks for that.
    Our ILB unit is embarrassingly weak, I think Ellerbe is a critical resign. More so than Kruger. I like Kruger a lot more now than I did in September, but if it comes down to choose one, I'd say Ellerbee


    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    At DE/DT, Ngata isn't going anywhere and should be better next year. Art Jones is probably only going to get better, McPhee is starting to come all the way back, and Bryan Hall and DeAngelo Tyson are showing flashes. If they can get an elite pass-rushing DE/DT then sure go for it, but the only REAL need on the DL is NT and they can upgrade that position on the cheap.
    Not fixing the NT position pretty much negates anything that we do with the ILBs. If we have the cap and the FO decides not to pursue an LT then I would expect we'd pursue an NT instead.




  5. #710

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I've been saying all along that people are underrating how much of a need free safety is for this team. I really don't see Ed Reed being back--the team's not going to sign him for the kind of money he'll want, and if they try to franchise him I think he would just retire--then maybe try to come back for 2014.

    Inside linebacker isn't a big priority at this point presuming they can resign Ellerbe... which I think they can do. Next to him will be either Jameel or Ray (in the unlikely event Ray comes back) and they have Bynes as a quality reserve. They could still use depth at the position but they don't need to use early picks for that.

    At DE/DT, Ngata isn't going anywhere and should be better next year. Art Jones is probably only going to get better, McPhee is starting to come all the way back, and Bryan Hall and DeAngelo Tyson are showing flashes. If they can get an elite pass-rushing DE/DT then sure go for it, but the only REAL need on the DL is NT and they can upgrade that position on the cheap.

    The real glaring spot is free safety. They just don't have anybody who can start at the position next year and they don't even actually have any depth. Ihedigbo, Considine, and Cook are all FAs. Omar Brown is maybe a good 3rd safety or dime back type player. They realistically need to get 2 more safeties somehow for 2013--a starting FS and a 4th safety who can play special teams.

    Spending a 1st round pick on Matt Elam or (if we're lucky and he falls for some reason) Kenny Vaccaro would be a great investment. Those are the 2 guys that I see as definite day-one starters at the position in this draft. After that, you're probably looking at Phillip Thomas or Tony Jefferson in the 2nd, both prospects I like a lot but I'm not sure they're day 1 starters. I don't really like Eric Reid a lot as a prospect but I need to watch his tape more. I seem to recall him getting burned every time he played single high safety and we need a safety who plays smart and covers a lot of ground in Cover-1.
    I dont disagree that FS is a huge need that needs to be addressed early in the draft but the way we got gashed vs the run due to inept play at NT and the LB's inability to cover in space or get to spots on perimeter runs i think DL and LB is equally as important. I think they'll have to get a FS, NT, and at least 1 ILB that can contribute from day one and preferably one other nickel LB in the mid to later rounds.




  6. #711

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    Yup...that hit me a little bit ago, but I didn't get a chance to watch Elam and Reid until yesterday, but in just a few minutes of viewing, it was clear that he was our kind of guy. I had seen Thomas a little bit ago, but he looked to be too much of a freelancer, and often out of position like Ed. So I don't think we pass on Elam at all, but I could see CIN snagging him just ahead of us.

    Our ILB unit is embarrassingly weak, I think Ellerbe is a critical resign. More so than Kruger. I like Kruger a lot more now than I did in September, but if it comes down to choose one, I'd say Ellerbee

    Not fixing the NT position pretty much negates anything that we do with the ILBs. If we have the cap and the FO decides not to pursue an LT then I would expect we'd pursue an NT instead.
    I agree on all your points. The wild card here is free agency. I think the Ravens really need to go out and grab a blue-chip defensive free agent this offseason, assuming the cap allows--not necessarily a superstar, but somebody with a lot of potential who maybe has some red flags that drive the price down.

    Top on that list for me is Kenny Phillips... young, instinctive, rangy free safety who is good in every facet of the game with All-Pro upside. He probably wouldn't even be on the market if not for the injury concerns... which could make him attainable. That would be a high-risk, high-reward move. On the DL, I'd like to see them get Terrence Knighton. He fits both the 3-4 and 4-3 and stops the run at a high level and his weight issues/falling out of favor in Jacksonville could keep him cheap.

    Of the two, Knighton is probably the more likely possibility and I would welcome that. I just think if they can go into the draft with at least ONE defensive need taken care of they'll have much more flexibility to move around in the draft.




  7. #712

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    wishful thinking at 3mil per year over three years. We can all dream
    Yeah, Ed's pride alone wouldn't allow him to take that deal from us...even if he doesn't get offered more from any other team.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Yeah, Ed's pride alone wouldn't allow him to take that deal from us...even if he doesn't get offered more from any other team.
    You think he'd retire before a deal like that? Can yous really see anyone wanting to give him upwards of 5 6 per year?




  9. #714

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    From CollegeFootballTalk.com via Rotoworld.com

    BYU junior OLB Kyle Van Noy will return for his senior season.
    The decision is somewhat unexpected after Van Noy's ridiculous bowl game performance, but we aren't worried about the junior playing at the same level he exhibited this year in 2013. He won't have Ziggy Ansah playing in front of him, but Van Noy is an aggressive pass rusher that flashes comfort in space. We expect Van Noy to be projected as a first-round pick heading into the 2013 season.




  10. #715

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    From CollegeFootballTalk.com via Rotoworld.com
    Probably a mistake, unless he's one of those few prospects that pro scouts all secretly like a lot less than the amateurs.

    If you're a projected first round pick there's never any reason to go back to school. What do you hope to improve upon?




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Probably a mistake, unless he's one of those few prospects that pro scouts all secretly like a lot less than the amateurs.

    If you're a projected first round pick there's never any reason to go back to school. What do you hope to improve upon?
    Some of those there BYU kids have slightly different priorities than the rest of the world.

    In this kids case maybe he feel another year will solidify his first round standing as opposed to being on the fringes. That can be significant amount of money beyond whatever other motivations there could be
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  12. #717

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    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    You think he'd retire before a deal like that? Can yous really see anyone wanting to give him upwards of 5 6 per year?
    No, he'd go play in New England or somewhere like that.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




  13. #718

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    DeAndre Hopkins might have made himself a lot of money tonight. I was hoping he'd be in play for the Ravens' 2nd rounder, but now he might be in play for their first.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    I actually think that Ihedibo would be a good FS here and I doubt that he will garner anything close to three million. Re-sign Ihedibo, develop Christian Thompson and draft a can't miss guy if he falls to you at any point in the draft.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    There will be some LTs out there as well. Jake Long might be less expensive, given his injury, but expensive nonetheless. Brandon Albert will be out there, as will Ryan Clady.
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