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    NFP is interesting. Their rankings often differ from most other sources and by a great degree. I need to look at their past 2-3 drafts and see how they've turned out. It's a good alternative source if nothing else.
    "On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the Draft

    Settle down. John Harbaugh and Joe Flacco's Baltimore Ravens can beat any team, anywhere.

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  2. #557
    Really looking forward to tonight's game. Good prospects on the field from schools that seldom get televised unless they make a bowl.
    "On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the Draft

    Settle down. John Harbaugh and Joe Flacco's Baltimore Ravens can beat any team, anywhere.

    Having fun talking football and tech stuff on Twitter @BigPlayReceiver




  3. #558

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    NFP is interesting. Their rankings often differ from most other sources and by a great degree. I need to look at their past 2-3 drafts and see how they've turned out. It's a good alternative source if nothing else.
    I dont always agree with them but for me if you can tell me in a detailed fashion how you come to your conclusion's it just resonates differently. That's why i like there prospect coverage, that and i love their scouting reports.




  4. #559

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    2 sacks and 2 FF i believe from Margus Hunt last night




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Carey View Post
    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...ersion-20.html

    National Football Post's Russ Lande released his top 200, i really like his prospective and i think he does some of the best scouting reports in the business. Some of his projections make shock people a little, i think his is more based on the tape and what the player is right now as opposed to upside. He has Werner as his top overall prospect. People might frown on that but i love Werner, i think he arguably is, some other guys may have a little more upside but i think Werner could be a productive high end starter rather quickly.
    They have Ogletree ranked above Te'o. Closed it, dismissed as quacks, and immediatly dismiss anything they say.




  6. #561

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    They have Ogletree ranked above Te'o. Closed it, dismissed as quacks, and immediatly dismiss anything they say.
    Again, I dont agree but i promise you if you read a scouting report of their's you wont dismiss them as quacks.




  7. #562

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    They have Ogletree ranked above Te'o. Closed it, dismissed as quacks, and immediatly dismiss anything they say.
    They claim their methodology is based only on film from 2012, but if they're watching film from 2012 they're drawing a lot of different conclusions from me (which doesn't really mean anything since they're pros and I'm an amateur.) But still, things like Jake Matthews over Luke Joeckel (and they're wrong about Matthews coming out, sources are indicating he will return to school next year), Brandon Jenkins at #36 (way too high), Damontre Moore at #49 (way too low)... these rankings are just different for the sake of being different.

    Their scouting reports are great, but this "top 200" list is pretty worthless.




  8. #563

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    They claim their methodology is based only on film from 2012, but if they're watching film from 2012 they're drawing a lot of different conclusions from me (which doesn't really mean anything since they're pros and I'm an amateur.) But still, things like Jake Matthews over Luke Joeckel (and they're wrong about Matthews coming out, sources are indicating he will return to school next year), Brandon Jenkins at #36 (way too high), Damontre Moore at #49 (way too low)... these rankings are just different for the sake of being different.

    Their scouting reports are great, but this "top 200" list is pretty worthless.
    I can get on board with this, i agree with it for the most part. I know last year i read most of their scouting reports and i think they try to push up guys they like maybe a little more then they actually should. But they are also good at pointing out flaws in overrated prospects as well as finding sleepers that you might not even hear about on other sites.




  9. #564

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I went back and watched some more film of Margus Hunt and honestly, that guy could be something pretty special. It is rare to see a guy his size with that kind of explosion and strength. IMO he is going to sneak up into the 1st round. The Ravens might consider him as a DE.

    That said - I do not think he is a fantastic prospect in a 3-4 5-technique position. I think he really is more of a 4-3 left end/pass rusher.

    I could see some 3-4 teams looking at him as a 3-4 rush linebacker though. His qualities are length and quickness. Supposedly he can run a 4.7 40-yard dash.

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    Yeah, I'm watching a lot of Margus Hunt lately, including the bowl game from Christmas Eve, and the kid is a monster. He made himself a ton of money in that game.

    I kind of disagree about his potential as a 5-tech DE though. I think he could play that position really well. If you watch the SMU defense they line up in a 3 man front particularly in nickel all the time with Hunt at 5-tech DE. He has great length, anchor strength, and upper body power to control the tackle and play 2-gap, but he also shoots the B gap really well.

    I think he could be a great 5-tech in your typical 3-4, but he will need to sit for a year or so while he learns the technique of that position at the NFL level. However he could come in year 1 and play that position in nickel sets where he can concentrate more on shooting the gaps from a 3-point stance head up over the tackle. He could also be a good fit as a 4-3 left end. I just don't see 4-3 right end or 3-4 rush at all, I don't see the flexibility and bend for that, although he can get around the edge with speed.

    I think honestly he has JJ Watt level upside if used correctly and mentored by a good DL coach who can get his technique up. If he blows up the Combine and pre-draft workouts, which I think he will, you could EASILY see him shooting up into the top half of the 1st round. You don't think teams like Buffalo, Dallas, and Jacksonville aren't kicking themselves for passing on Watt? Trust me, he's going to go much higher than a lot of people are expecting right now.




  10. #565

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Got another interesting guy we havent really talked about. Jesse Williams from Alabama, probably a 2nd round pick. Now we have a 2nd round pick from Alabama that is also a NT that hasnt panned out. Williams also is probably always gonna be a 2 down guy(Although i think he has more ability then some think as a guy that can push the pocket on 3rd down), but he's a better player then Cody and i think he'd upgrade the run defense immediately. On the other hand he's not gonna be a great pash rusher and they just got bit with the drafting of Cody.




  11. #566
    A solid NT makes Ngata better, McPhee better, and any rookie ILB better. If he can push the pocket that's a bonus.

    NT: The second most important fix this OS imo.
    "On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the Draft

    Settle down. John Harbaugh and Joe Flacco's Baltimore Ravens can beat any team, anywhere.

    Having fun talking football and tech stuff on Twitter @BigPlayReceiver




  12. #567

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    A solid NT makes Ngata better, McPhee better, and any rookie ILB better. If he can push the pocket that's a bonus.

    NT: The second most important fix this OS imo.
    Agreed. I don't see a huge need at DE or DT assuming Ngata and McPhee can get healthy and Art Jones can continue to play at a high level. They have good depth for 2013 as well in McBean, Tyson, and Hall. 5-tech DE/DT look solid to me although I'd never argue with adding an athletic mismatch like Margus Hunt who can rush the passer from the inside.

    The problem is NT... Cody is just so, so bad. If they want to stick to a base 3-4 then they need a new guy and Williams is a great pick. IMO I don't want them to do that, though. I think they should just go 4-3 instead, play Ngata and Art Jones as the starting DTs with a rotation behind them, McPhee is the nickel specialist with Upshaw and Suggs at DE, Upshaw kicks inside next to McPhee in the nickel (he's been kicking inside a lot this year) and we'd need a speed rusher opposite Suggs to paly end in the nickel--which could be Kruger if he resigns.

    I think that fits our personnel better... Upshaw looks better with his hand in the dirt than standing up, Ngata would probably be better playing more 4-3 DT, and a 4 man line keeps the LBs cleaner. McClellan is a good Sam, Ellerbe's a good Mike, and we don't really have a natural Will although McClain could play that role on run downs. I'd like to get an athletic rookie to come in and play in the nickel next to Ellerbe.




  13. #568

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    John Jenkins academically ineligible for Georgia's bowl game, this will be huge for Kwame Geathers if he plays well, rumor has it he's think about coming out. Geather's could be a mid round upside pick




  14. #569

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Also forgot about Aubrayo Franklin as an alternative in FA at NT, had a pretty solid season for the Chargers, shouldnt be too expensive, already has ties here.




  15. #570

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cf...stedman-bailey

    Some good stuff for all the fellow Stedman Bailey enthusiasts




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