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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread



    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    Lots of $$$ out there and some of it is being wasted IMO.

    McClain is due $3M in 2013 and $3.2M in 2014. (Awful value. Need to get from under this)

    Birk is due $2.75M in 2013. (Sub-par value)
    Oher is due $3M in 2013. (Sub par value)
    Suggs is due $6.4M in 2013 and $7.8M in 2014. (Restructure)
    Boldin is due $6M in 2013 and 2014. (Sub-par value but...New OC + Franchise tag "experiment" = dumb to cut loose a mostly reliable WR)
    Jones is due $4M in 2013. (Ask again later...I'm having a hard time justifying $10M between Jones and Boldin)
    Bobbie Willilams is due $1.2M in 2013. (Cut)
    Ayanbadejo: $940K in 2013. (Cut)
    Leach: $3M in 2013. (The new OC may completely devalue the FB position)

    Re-sign priority:
    Ellerbe

    Otherwise:
    Ed Reed: I love him, but I would not re-sign.
    Cary Williams: Gone.
    Ray is due $5.4M in 2013. I would like to see him retire.

    #1- That $940k we'd potentially pay to Ayanbadejo is a very nice value. First, as a player, he can still play. It seems every year down the stretch, once the injuries pile up to the linebackers, BA is there in a pinch making plays. Let me say this very directly, we don't win that game in San Diego without him. Ray Rice never sees that opportunity to convert 4th and 29 if not for 3 excellent defensive plays he made in the two preceding drives. Also, he made two game saving tackles last year in the Cleveland week 16 game that preserved that win. He can still run and he can still tackle. He has value at a very low cost.

    #2 Keep in mind that the salary for Ayanbadejo is essentially the veteran minimum. If we cut his $940k (assuming there is no cap penalty for doing so), we would have to replace his 940k with another salary that will count in the 475-550k range. So cutting Dejo really would only save us 400k at the max.

    #3 Without knowing how Jameel's contract is structured, it's hard to say if it's a good decision to cut him or not. If we could get off the hook for $3 million with no penalty, I'd probably do it. However, depending on how much "Dead money" is wrapped into the decision to cut him, it might not make sense.

    #4 Michael Oher, even if he is in that 15-20 range as far as left tackles go, is still a reasonably good value at $3 million. Certainly not subpar value in any way. People love to point out Oher's critical mistakes and overlook some of his exceptional run blocks. He's a steal at $3 million in today's market.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bhcforlife View Post
    the fact that they are picking later in the round is really your primary argument here? Ray lewis was the 26th pick in the draft. Reed was the 24th. Rice was a 2nd round pick. Webb a 3rd rounder. Yanda a 3rd rounder. Could go on and on. Where they pick is irrelevant, they still have a job to bring in quality players, and what do i expect? I expect the gm and fo of this team to do their jobs and bring in those quality players, like they had done for so many years prior.

    Nobody is forcing ozzie to trade down, either.
    outstanding! +1




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    Aside from the Jacoby Jones comment, I think you're on the money. Jones is a game changer. Look at how other teams are approaching him now....

    Agree with everything else.
    Dude is a heck of a return specialist...but he doesn't contribute a whole lot on offense anymore...whether that is by design, who knows. It seems that Doss has taken a lot of his snaps.

    Furthermore, does being a really good return specialist justify a $4mill cap hit? I don't know. Frankly, I think what they should do is offer him an extension that breaks his cap number up a bit and if he takes it, great. If not, see ya.

    Could Deonte Thompson not replicate that? He's just as fast...probably faster. Thompson has also been VERY impressive when he's gotten on the field with the offense. I'm just saying, Thompson would cost significantly less and from what we've seen so far, he may be able to replicate Jacoby's return ability. We don't know.

    What we do know is if they keep Jacoby and Boldin, they'll have over $10 million locked up in a 33 year old possession receiver and a part time receiver/return specialist.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Dude is a heck of a return specialist...but he doesn't contribute a whole lot on offense anymore...whether that is by design, who knows. It seems that Doss has taken a lot of his snaps.

    Furthermore, does being a really good return specialist justify a $4mill cap hit? I don't know. Frankly, I think what they should do is offer him an extension that breaks his cap number up a bit and if he takes it, great. If not, see ya.

    Could Deonte Thompson not replicate that? He's just as fast...probably faster. Thompson has also been VERY impressive when he's gotten on the field with the offense. I'm just saying, Thompson would cost significantly less and from what we've seen so far, he may be able to replicate Jacoby's return ability. We don't know.

    What we do know is if they keep Jacoby and Boldin, they'll have over $10 million locked up in a 33 year old possession receiver and a part time receiver/return specialist.
    Quite frankly he's might not be worth much of anything of they remove kickoffs. He hasn't done a lot in passing lately because he doesn't see the field a lot




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    Quite frankly he's might not be worth much of anything of they remove kickoffs. He hasn't done a lot in passing lately because he doesn't see the field a lot
    Which could indicate that they are liking Doss more as the #3 receiver, which also points to Jacoby not being worth $4 mill.
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    Quite frankly he's might not be worth much of anything of they remove kickoffs. He hasn't done a lot in passing lately because he doesn't see the field a lot
    Ah yes...completely forgot about the chance of KRs going away. Thanks.

    That would seal the [no] deal for me...unless the new OC can integrate him (and everyone else for that matter) into the offense better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Which could indicate that they are liking Doss more as the #3 receiver, which also points to Jacoby not being worth $4 mill.
    So thinking about our common ground on trading up for The Joker...passing on Jacoby and Boldin alone would give us $10M to pursue Clady, and we'd get our 1st, 2nd and 4th back.

    And yes...I understand the risk of dropping Boldin during Joe's "all-in"/tag year. Always tough to balance the short term and the long term...
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    That's what I'm saying.

    Pull a Falcons and take a guy who you KNOW is going to impact from day 1.

    T'eo
    Joeckel
    Star Lotulelei
    Jarvis Jones
    Damontre Moore

    That's not Ozzie's style. He never counts on a draft pick having an impact from day 1. Even for someone he targets, like Upshaw last year or Flacco before that, he's still willing to risk losing by trading down to get as much value as possible. Ozzie will trade up a couple of spots but he's not making that big trade like the Falcons did.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    This Clady talk is insane. The Broncos didn't just spend a fortune on Manning to let him get beat up by letting his best o-lineman go. They'll either come to a deal or franchise him. There is no way that Clady hits the free agent market.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Boldin isn't really a receiver. He's actually a very short tight end.

    I can't see us letting go of him. He's been too reliable and has always come through for us. And perhaps most importantly, he makes numerous crucial downfield blocks that no other receivers on our roster can do nearly as well.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    This Clady talk is insane. The Broncos didn't just spend a fortune on Manning to let him get beat up by letting his best o-lineman go. They'll either come to a deal or franchise him. There is no way that Clady hits the free agent market.
    I'm not going to let you destroy my dream GOTA.

    Peyton wins it all...rides off into the sunset
    DEN decides to address other concerns
    Clady comes east




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    I'm not going to let you destroy my dream GOTA.

    Peyton wins it all...rides off into the sunset
    DEN decides to address other concerns
    Clady comes east


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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    That's not Ozzie's style. He never counts on a draft pick having an impact from day 1. Even for someone he targets, like Upshaw last year or Flacco before that, he's still willing to risk losing by trading down to get as much value as possible. Ozzie will trade up a couple of spots but he's not making that big trade like the Falcons did.
    I know that isn't his style.

    It should be though.

    If you know that there is 1 guy in the draft that you can move up, take, and count on them to have an immediate impact...why wouldn't you do that?
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I know that isn't his style.

    It should be though.

    If you know that there is 1 guy in the draft that you can move up, take, and count on them to have an immediate impact...why wouldn't you do that?
    Because Ozzie will say that you can't count on any draft pick to have an immediate impact. We see sure thing players bomb out all the time. Ozzie is a conservative drafter. After 17 years he's not going to suddenly change the way he does things in year 18. I'm not saying you're wrong but I can's see that happening as long as Ozzie is in charge.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    Let's assume that Kruger and Reed were to command the same in free agency (an assumption that's probably wrong since Reed doesn't seem fond of any hometown discounts)

    You would rather keep Reed for 1-2 more years over Kruger for 3-5? How do you figure that?
    Reed gives us a better chance to win now. Also, Kruger's role can be taken over by a rookie. It's not hard to to find situational pass rushers aka one trick ponies.




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